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Well to be honest I am actually on holiday in Thailand at the moment so it is very nice here

The holiday was booked long before the op so decided to still do it. Suffered a bit after the flight with my knee swelling a lot but hopefully it will do it some good.

I am trying to do very little during the day so I can walk about a bit at night. Still in pain but not as much as it would be.

Are you still taking a lot of pain relief? I haven't really been told what to take so have carried on with paracetamol and ibuprofen with the odd co codamol if it's bad.
 
Wow, that sounds fabulous - good for you for going!

I was pretty much down to taking pain meds 1 - 2/day, always starting the day with cocodamol and Ibuprofen. l'm always better in the morning even before the tkr so tend to get most of what l need to do done then and rest more late morning/afternoon. It was working well until last week when, on reflection, l increased the work l did on the cross trainer (haven't been on since).

For me, the whole pain management thing was really difficult. I think nurses are probably strange creatures anyway in that we don't want to become dependant on drugs (l was warned about involuntary addiction) and we want to appear to be big and behave and just getting on with things. Or maybe that's just me.

l had no idea what to take or when so basically just fumbled my way along. I wish a basic plan was given on discharge, or a bit of guidance; might have saved a lot of unnecessary pain.

How are you with your meds/pain? Has the heat helped or does that make your knee swell more?

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I am 6 weeks out and disappointed to know that even 10 weeks out things are still difficult. I took advantage of the site for weeks before I joined in the conversations. I am feeling really down this morning after a difficult night.
 
I am the same re the meds. I was never really told what to take when the prescription drugs ran out. Even my doctor was a bit vague so that's why I ended up mainly on paracetamol.

The heat doesn't seem to be helping as much as it used to help my arthritis. It seems to be a lot more swollen than it was at home.
 
Don't be disappointed at only 6 and 10 weeks out. My OS told me the first 3 months will be difficult. By 6 months you will be doing well enough to do most of the things you want to, but that it takes up to 12 months to fully recover. Things will be difficult for most of us for quite some time, especially nighttime. Patience is an absolute requirement to get through this.

I don't think most of us have to be worried about addiction, just dependence, which is not that difficult to overcome (by gradually cutting down meds). If someone has an "addictive personality" that's the person that has to worry. That's just my opinion.

I take ibuprofen for pain and naproxen for inflammation. At this point neither seems to be helping much, but my pain is mostly 0 or 2 with stiffness when I've been sitting too long, or 2 or 3 when it wakes me up at night. If I forget to take either drug I don't notice a lot of difference. Even so, I am doing much better than before surgery.
 
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Mbrown, l've got 2 weeks to go then to the magic month - yay! Well, less actually!

FlaGranny, thank you Patience is certainly the name of the game but frustration is often its bedfellow, unfortunately. Have to just keep on keeping on.

Trayguy, swelling is the pits and so prohibitive. Are you still using ice? Maybe put a gin in it?!

Lmb, aw, l'm sorry you've had a difficult night and are feeling really down. I guess we've all been there or are there now. Are you feeling any better now the day's gone on?
 
11 weeks out
Numbness on outer knee extending to top of shin.
That's absolutely to be expected. Everyone has that. Read this Numb area after TKR
1. Pain. 1-2 when still, leg elevated, feels like dull 'toothache' type pain. Rises to 4-5 when walking (as of last few days). Pain in hip and back unless l use crutch. Wound pain sharp and tight on flexion. (Scar? Slightly hypertrophic). Pain extends down to outer calf.
Rises when walking? That's interesting. More on that later.
Have sharp pain on inside of knee and slightly to the front on walking at the moment. This is relatively new (since last week). Painful on rising with shooting pains through knee for first few steps. Can't fully weight bear on leg when first get up.
Sounds like Iliopsoas tendinitis. Another 'interesting'!
Currently l take 1 x co codamol 8/500 and 1 x lbuprofen 400mg in the morning and either lbuprofen or paracetamol in the afternoon and a repeat of the morning meds at night, if needed.
I included this again for clarity. I still think co-codamol is a rubbish pain med for knees and you could do with some Tramadol to be taken with paracetamol like this

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Swelling. Moderate - slightly more at end of day depending on activity. Ice pack leaves pitting marks at the moment.
Well swelling being a form of pain, this tells me something. Not sure what yet but ...
110-120/0 (best). 90-100/1 currently.
Now why is your ROM so low? Interesting ....
Ice. X 2 day. ½ 1hr at a time. More sometimes.
Elevate. X 3-4 day ½-1hr +
You accomplish little or nothing in 30 minutes. Ice for at least 40-60mins and more than 4 times a day.
Quite active. Often on the go, pottering. Walk dog x 1-2 week, do all housework, washing, ironing etc (through choice), cook 3-4 week, food shopping occasionally (hubby usually does it). Up and down stairs several times a day. Can go up foot over foot using handrail in the morning. One step at a time coming down.
Okay. That's rather a lot actually but not outrageous. Does it hurt when you go up sequentially?

No set exercises. Occasionally use cross trainer (low resistance).
No 'set' exercises? That implies you do some, yes? If so, I need to know what they are. I know you're doing some because of all the issues I've highlighted! And details about what you do on the cross trainer as well. I can't help if you don't provide this.
 
Thanks for replying Josephine I can't do those multi quote things so l hope the following makes sense. I have tried to give as much detail as possible so forgive me if you feel it is an essay!

Pain on rising: The pain on rising and for the first few steps thereafter seems to be associated with the MCL and ACL - the former was an issue prior to surgery. In addition, l have noticeable varicose veins on my L leg which, since surgery, have become enlarged and quite painful at times. I expected this. I have assumed that the intermittent pain at the top of my leg towards the groin is associated with the VV's on the saphenous as the pain/discomfort is somewhat similar.

Analgesia: Unfortunately l cannot take Tramadol and neither do l wish to at this stage. I consider that l gain good-adequate pain relief from the medications l am taking to enable me to get around. I don't know what walking is supposed to be like at this stage. I have read that swelling and stiffness post TKR is more common when there has been a previous issue of trauma to the joint so maybe this is a factor too.

ROM: l asked my husband to assess my flexion this morning and he estimates it to be around 120. Not sure how to assess this myself. You wonder why my 'ROM is so low'. What would you expect it to be?

ICE: l will ice more often. I could ice for longer but the pack is warm within about 20 mins. I have asked my husband to fetch another while he's in town this morning, either that or a bag of peas! Does getting up to replace the ice pack not defeat the object of resting?

Stairs: l cannot go upstairs without hanging on to the handrail and sometimes pushing myself up on the stair with the other hand. Yes, it hurts to go up sequentially (? Ligamental).

Set exercises: l don't do set exercises as outlined by other posters - heel slides, leg raises etc. I did do initially but it resulted in a lot of pain and swelling which prohibited even more movement so l stopped. This was at the 2 - 3 week stage. This is also around the time l found Bonesmart and read that it was time, not exercise, which increased ROM and that ADL provided good exercise in itself. I have found this to be the case and considered that l was making good progress until this last week.

Additionally, l am acutely aware of the need to protect my (R) knee which is down to bone on bone and which is more prone to giving way than my (L) leg ever was and which crunches with every step and which, particularly at night, emits a loud click every time l bend it.

Cross trainer: This isn't used much at all! I tried it initially in W3 - 4 (l think) but it hurt too much. I've perhaps used it x 4 since then, the last being on the 20th of this month. I cycle for approx 2 mins on low resistance to start with and with the seat at a level which enables me to achieve at least 90 - 100 degrees flexion. Once warmed up, l lower the seat so that flexion is at 120. 2 mins more of cycling and if all is good, l may increase the resistance until l can feel it in my quads (as advised by physio in order to strengthen my quads which in turn would support my knee). I have never exceeded 10 mins in this activity and stop when it becomes uncomfortable.

New this week: ls bony-type pain in the knee itself, mostly occurring at night, which tends to waken me, or it's there when l happen to waken (which l do several times a night; usual for me). It feels very similar to the pre-op pain l had. It even feels as though l have the horrid tibial tuberosity pain l used to get which l don't think is even possible now.

Currently: l am sitting at the kitchen table, on the pew. I can flex my leg comfortably to 120. In doing so lovely can feel pain/discomfort/tightness at the back of the knee, also around the LCL and MCL. On standing there is muscular-type pain in my (L) calf and the ITB feels tight as do the quads. On walking there is stiffness above the patella and in the calf and thigh though this and the ITB stiffness wears off after walking. The pain in the LCL is much less after the initial steps. I notice l am in the habit of pushing myself up from seated, also of swinging my KR leg from the hip as described by other posters (l didn't realise l was doing this until l read those posts). Seated again, the muscle of my (L) calf is niggling.

One other thing l've noticed is the feeling of swinging my (L) foot out a little on walking. Equestrians would understand this as 'dishing'. I don't think l did that beforehand.

I've tried to give as much detail as possible without turning it into an essay. I am feeling a little despondent this morning but having taken a cosh of Ibuprofen 800mg (still within safe range) my knee does actually feel more comfortable. I'm sure l'll feel better once the boys have returned from spending their Christmas money!
 
I don't know what walking is supposed to be like at this stage.
Ar 11 weeks and with wat appeared to be a less than straightforward surgery, I would expect you to be about where you are!
estimates it to be around 120. Not sure how to assess this myself. You wonder why my 'ROM is so low'. What would you expect it to be?
But before you said it was 110-120/0 (best). 90-100/1 currently. 120 is good!
Does getting up to replace the ice pack not defeat the object of resting?
Absolutely not! ADLs are essential if you're not doing exercises. Never have we suggested that one should do nothing at all after joint replacement. That's just dangerous. But the trick is not to do too much!
l cannot go upstairs without hanging on to the handrail and sometimes pushing myself up on the stair with the other hand. Yes, it hurts to go up sequentially (? Ligamental).
I'm puzzled why you are assigning these symptoms to ligaments when it's broader than that. It's a soft tissue problem in which case, the ethos is that 'everything is connected to everything else'!
Consequently, you pain area can also include any soft tissues that are in that area including fascia,fat and even the the subdermal layers.
This is also around the time l found Bonesmart and read that it was time, not exercise, which increased ROM and that ADL provided good exercise in itself. I have found this to be the case and considered that l was making good progress until this last week.
Jolly good!
bony-type pain in the knee itself
I'm not quite clear on which knee!
It even feels as though l have the horrid tibial tuberosity pain l used to get which l don't think is even possible now.
Again, which tuberosity? There are at least three.
I notice l am in the habit of pushing myself up from seated
That would be very normal. I fact, I was still doing that about 4-5 months out for my first knee.
One other thing l've noticed is the feeling of swinging my (L) foot out a little on walking. Equestrians would understand this as 'dishing'.
I'm not an equestrian! So what does it mean?
 
I'm not an equestrian! So what does it mean?
Its throwing your leg out to the side...swinging your leg laterally.. I did this in early days. My hubby yelled at me to focus on heel toe and keep the gait in line with my hips not to the side.
 
So I`m not doing too badly then? The knee does feel better today after clobbering it with the brufen which is possibly why I could achieve 120 this morning because the swelling isn`t as bad.

No idea which tibial tuberosity was affected when I had my fall, just know that the pain is in the middle of the tibia. Orthopaedics is not my speciality.

I assign some of the pain to ligamental simply because when I showed and described it to the physio that`s what he suggested it was and it seemed to make sense. I`m aware that other tissues will be involved.

To clarify, I didn`t suggest that this site advocates doing nothing at all, just that ADLs can be exercise in itself. Your signature states that you `did NO exercising yet got great outcomes`. I consider myself to be fairly active throughout the day therefore am achieving my outcomes via ADLs rather than set exercises.

`Dishing` is as described, the foot swinging outwards.

I feel I am defending and trying to justify myself here. I just wanted some reassurance that the pain I am describing is normal and not due to anything untoward and assurance that things will get better. I wanted to know if there was anything else I should or should not be doing to improve my situation. I just wanted to know that I`m doing alright and am not alone in this.

Perhaps the discouragement and sensitivity I feel is just par for the course at this stage.
 
Cratchit, while we have commonalities in our recovery we are different people and the term " normal" might better be "expected"
I look at my right calf in horror next to the left calf. Its less shrunk now but when I started something new, this stressed the calf that had for years just gotten by doing ...nothing.

Your recovery is your story and there isn't anything to be defensive about. It is your truth.

I have tibial pain when I kneel on it.. Its not from bone, i know because I haven't fallen like you have but it is from the scar which still feels it has a right to speak up.

For about three weeks I did have various twinges and pains ( in the area that was bone on bone, which really infuriated me as that was fixed with a spacer!) But my knee was more swollen then. Now the swelling is gone and aside from one spot that hurts on rising from a chair or my low non modern toilet ( rising I counted some two hundred times yesterday!) no new twinges have appeared.

I am just nine days ahead of you.

There is no magic month so don't get down next week..

Now how much better does your replaced knee feel now compared to the old one?
 
Little red canoe - thank you for replying, very much appreciated. :console2:

I have to be honest and say that at this stage my replaced knee doesn`t feel much better compared to the old one. The old knee was painful and I had many limitations but I had adapted quite well to some of the restrictions. In the longterm I know it will be better; just need to get through this stage first.

These scars can be so chatty can`t they?! I`m amazed that you have no swelling, more so that you can kneel on your new knee despite being only nine days ahead of me. Two hundred rises - wow! I`m impressed!
 
@Cratchit - to stop yourself from throwing your leg out sideways, make a conscious effort to bend your knee as you step forward. I sometimes still have to remind myself to lift my foot high enough, particularly when I'm tired.
 
Its throwing your leg out to the side...swinging your leg laterally..
:doh: Of course! Silly me!
No idea which tibial tuberosity was affected
I know you didn't sign up here for an anatomy lesson but these are the three - the top ones are usually called tuberosities and the middle one the tubercle because it's smaller!

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Your signature states that you `did NO exercising yet got great outcomes`. I consider myself to be fairly active throughout the day therefore am achieving my outcomes via ADLs rather than set exercises.
That's right - you got it! Spot on!
I feel I am defending and trying to justify myself here.
Absolutely not! No-one here ever has to defend or justify themselves. I accept what is said completely because only you know what it's like. So please don't read my posts like that. I'm quite a friendly person really! :) :flwrysmile:
 
Two hundred rises - wow! I`m impressed!
That is an illustration of my idiocy.. Getting up 200 times( mostly without pushing off) is not what the lateral ligaments on the knee is ready for. No wonder there is a tender spot.

Oddly before surgery I needed a crane to get off the low sofa.. Now I just push off and get on with it.

These little things are exciting, no?
i like the illustration ,, the scar goes right across the tibial tubercule.. No wonder it hurts.. No fat there though it is everywhere else.
 
Thank you @Josephine. And thank you @little red canoe . I really do appreciate your replies. I'm just not in a good place today. My knee is so different to last week. How would l know if something had happened to the implant, if it had slipped or something, or loosened? I don't think l have enough pain for that but how would l know? Can't stop crying now l've started.
 
It's extremely unlikely that any part of the implant has shifted. What's more likely is that your knee is having one of those days when it seems to take a step backward.
That's normal, because this recovery isn't a straightforward linear progression. I call it two steps forward and one step back. Someone else likens it to a roller-coaster, with lots of ups and downs.

There will be times when your knee doesn't seem to be making any progress at all. Some people think it has stalled. I prefer to think of it as the knee consolidating what it has achieved, before moving forward again.

I'm sorry you are having a day of the blues, but remember that they are normal as well.
Post op blues is a reality - be prepared for it

So, don't try to hold back the tears. Have a good cry, because tears are healing. Then, give yourself a little treat. Is there someone who could take you out for a short ride, a change of scenery, or coffee or ice cream?

We're here to listen and try to help. Hang in there! :friends:
 
You are doing well. I cried on and off at different times during my recovery. I found that once I was able to accept that recovery wasn't a linear progression but more like a roller coaster I was able not too feel as depressed.
 
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