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I want to suggest that you try to find a clinic that can do an MSK ultrasound to investigate your idea of damaged soft tissue. I had one recently and it allowed the radiologist to determine damage swelling and scaring.Hi folks.
New member here from the United Kingdom – I am very happy to join the forum, which looks to be a great resource and community.
I just thought I’d make a thread all about regaining leg/knee extension capability, which has been lost, to a significant degree, following a gym-based injury, and where there has been a long delay (9 months) in getting the right investigation and treatment strategy in place.
I was fortunate to find this forum after Googling around on this topic, and finding a thread from this board (among a number of others online) – which indicates the process can be very difficult.
For easier reading, I have split-up this opening post into the following sections:
I apologise for the long length of the post – it was my intention to be as thorough as I can, to better inform folks in a similar situation. Also, as an aside, and for the avoidance of doubt, this post is 100% hand-typed by me (in Microsoft Word, then copied-in), and did not utilise any AI!
- My Injury
- My Understanding of the Relevant Broad Injury Types That May Apply
- My UK NHS Journey – A 9 Month Delay (Detour) Before Starting the Right Recovery Process
- My Hope for a Course Correction and a Full Recovery
- My Current Home-Based Self-Led Physiotherapy Activities
- Questions to Ask
- Next Steps and Future Posts
- A “TLDR Summary” of My Main Learning Outcomes So Far
Here we go…
PART 1. MY INJURY
I injured myself in the gym just under 9 months ago. The injury was sustained by doing intense work on the back extension apparatus (also known as the Roman Chair), followed by standing calf raises.
At the time, I noted a significant degree of pressure, tightness, and discomfort behind both of my knees.
The result of my injury was a gradual tightening of my legs (loss of leg/knee extension ability). Circa two days later, I could not stand-up or walk independently. I have been in that condition ever since. I have lost a considerable amount of leg/knee extension ability on both legs, in addition to a noticeable degree of muscle-mass. My on-crutches mobility is decreasing.
I believe my injury is musculoskeletal in nature, and that it mostly relates to my rear-of-the-leg muscles, tendons and ligaments.
If breaking-down the injury into its component parts, I believe that I may have incurred a combination dual-leg injury, which may span over the following areas:
- Some key muscles of the calves (Gastrocnemius and Soleus) – particularly at the insertion points near to the rear of the knees.
- Some key muscles of the hamstrings (Biceps Femoris, Semimembranosus, Semitendinosus) – again, particularly at the insertion points near to the rear of the knees.
- Some lesser known supportive muscles (which support the rear of the knees), such as the Plantaris and Popliteus.
- Perhaps the cruciate knee ligaments (either the Anterior Cruciate Ligament [ACL] or Posterior Cruciate Ligament [PCL]).
- Perhaps the meniscus.
I recognise that I am being very imprecise at this stage.
The reason I cannot be more precise, is that I am pre-consultation (with an Orthopaedic specialist/consultant) and pre-imaging (via X-Ray, CT, and MRI).
I hope to post back later when I know more about what is actually injured in my legs/knees, following some consultations and imaging.
PART 2. MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE RELEVANT BROAD INJURY TYPES THAT MAY APPLY
So far, I have read quite far-and-wide about what broad category of condition that I might be dealing with. I believe my dual-leg tightening condition may fall under one of the following broad categories:
Out of those, my instinct is that I have Fixed Flexion Deformity (FFD)/Contracture of the knees. Under that category, it looks like a difficult recovery journey is ahead. Some of the solutions (both conservative/non-surgical and surgical) look to be quite daunting. In regards to both problem-identification and solutions, I understand that I will need to get real-life advice from an expert (preferably an Orthopaedic surgeon, backed-up by adjunct services, such as Physiotherapy).
- Locked Knees – True/Mechanical Type; or
- Locked Knees – Pseudo Type; or
- Fixed Flexion Deformity (FFD) / Fixed Flexion Contracture / Flexion Contracture Deformity of the knees.
I might post back later (in a follow-up post) with a summary of my very rudimentary understanding of each broad category of condition, and my basic grasp of the various solutions for each. I’m wary of getting into “medical advice” territory however, as that, as far as I understand it, is against the rules of the forum. So, for the meantime, I have just posted the broad category names that I think may apply.
PART 3. MY UK NHS JOURNEY – A 9 MONTH DELAY (DETOUR) BEFORE STARTING THE RIGHT RECOVERY PROCESS
Sadly, my recovery trajectory is about 9 months behind schedule, due to an unfortunate UK NHS (National Health Service) investigation strategy, which placed me on a neurological investigation pathway (and not an orthopaedic pathway). They sought to investigate my spinal discs, and rule out any Sciatic nerve root/rootlet pressing/impingement issues first of all. I believe their logic was that a Sciatic nerve root/rootlet pressing/impingement issue (in the spine) may have been manifesting itself in the form of bilateral behind-the-leg tightness, bilateral leg/knee extension contraction and general bilateral leg weakness.
This took a very long time. Each step of the process (GP [General Practitioner] > Consultant > MRI > MRI results > Discuss MRI results with Consultant) has taken multiple months each.
Also, I was discouraged from seeking physiotherapy during this time, under a risk-averse approach.
My NHS whole-spine MRI has come back clean – there is actually no spinal disc-related injuries, and no Sciatic nerve root/rootlet pressing/impingement issues at all.
Of course, I am relieved that I don’t have a spinal disc injury, nor a Sciatic nerve root/rootlet pressing/impingement issue. However, I am also bitterly disappointed and frustrated (angry even) about the whole UK NHS process so far. 9 months later, I am back at where I started, and back to my original suspicion of an injury that is musculoskeletal in nature, and that mostly relates to my rear-of-the-leg muscles, tendons and ligaments. This is what I tried to suggest to the NHS professionals I interacted with (GP [General Practitioner], followed by locum Consultant Neurologist) in the first place.
So, I am definitely “behind” (arguably, “well behind”) in my journey to a recovery, and my legs/knees have tightened-up further over this lost time. It is a very disadvantageous situation.
In retrospect, I should have:
That is easier said than done of course, as I put a lot of trust and faith in the medical professionals I interacted with, and had no prior experience of engaging with the UK NHS for a serious injury. I have learned some hard lessons on my journey so far.
- Been much more savvy by researching my injury more quickly, and perhaps reaching-out to the right online communities.
- Investigated private healthcare options much sooner, and arguably immediately.
- “Stuck to my guns” more resolutely during my NHS interactions, including advocating for my initial suspicion of a leg-based musculoskeletal injury.
PART 4. MY HOPE FOR A COURSE CORRECTION AND A FULL RECOVERY
I am now in the process of implementing a course correction, which will involve:
Looking ahead, I am hopeful that I can recover under conservative methods (i.e., without surgery). However, if it turns-out my prospects of a non-surgical recovery are bleak – and that surgery is the only solution – I will go for it.
- Consulting with a private Orthopaedic Consultant/Surgeon.
- Undertaking private imaging (a combination of X-Ray, CT, and preferably MRI, under the private Orthopaedic consultant/surgeon’s guidance).
- Undertaking private:
- Physiotherapy.
- Remedial/deep tissue/sports massage.
- Additional therapies, such as Shockwave Therapy (if I am recommended it, which is not always guaranteed, as sometimes it is unsuitable/contraindicated for certain situations).
- Referral to an NHS Orthopaedic Consultant/Surgeon. (This will take months, so I am relying more on the private options above.)
- Referral to an NHS physiotherapy service. (Again, this will take some time, and is known to be limited in scope, so I am relying more on the private options above.)
PART 5. MY CURRENT HOME-BASED SELF-LED PHYSIOTHERAPY ACTIVITIES
After my whole spine MRI came back clean, I decided to set the previous “avoid physiotherapy” advice aside, and started doing some very rudimentary self-led physiotherapy type activities at home. I plan to continue with these while I am waiting for my upcoming appointments.
I do what I can – but I can’t do much.
Here is what I do at the moment, in the order set out below.
The whole run-though can take about 1 to 1.5 hours.
(1) Massage: [Every 2 days or so]
- Self-massage of my legs, and in particular, the calves, hamstrings, and carefully behind the knees. I use my hands, plus a lacrosse ball for this. In my view, this is not, by a long-shot, as good as a “proper” remedial or deep-tissue massage from a professional. But, I see it is “better than nothing”.
- I don’t do this every day. Every 2 days or so is my frequency.
(2) Very basic strength movements: [Every day]
- Legs:
- Seated bodyweight Calf Raises, including static-holds/isometrics at the top position.
- Bodyweight Glute Bridge (AKA: Laying-down Hip Raise) static/isometric-holds. I use a few different feet placement positions, to emphasise:
- The quads.
- The hamstrings.
- The glutes.
- A number of low-position Bodyweight Squat static-holds/isometrics (as anything involving a high-position squat static-hold/isometric is impossible for me). I move into the low-squat stance from my bed or a chair. I can only hold these for a short moment – 15 seconds or so is my record. One “hold” is one rep. I aim for circa 10 reps, but often only manage 8 or so, as fatigue sets in, and I don’t want to take unnecessary risks.
- Core:
- Series of floor/mat-based Hollows (with bent-legs/knees), Curl-Ups, Deadbugs, or similar anterior (front) core orientated movements.
(3) Low-load, long-duration stretching for the rear of the legs: [Every 2 days]
- I do a very basic derivative of prone hangs, based on the floor / a mat. I get into a position on my stomach, and just let my legs “hang out behind me”, with the aim of the weight of my feet/lower-legs, plus tension applied in the hamstrings, slowly encouraging the legs/knees extend out.
- Observations:
- Low-load, long-duration stretching is very often recommended in articles about conservative recovery from a Fixed Flexion Deformity (FFD) (AKA: an inability to fully extend the knees and legs) situation.
- My success with prone hangs has been very limited so far, but I will persevere with them.
- Due to my level of flexion deformity/contracture, I am far away from the kind of generous extension often seen in online example images of prone hangs.
- They can be quite unpleasant to do, and can feel “pretty nasty” behind-the-knees as the minutes tick by.
- I notice only tiny amount of enhanced extension movement when I do these, such is the level of my flexion deformity/contracture.
- I do these every 2 days or so (as they can be “very unpleasant” to do), but I should probably be doing these every day. I might start doing them every day, if instructed.
PART 6. QUESTIONS TO ASK
I’m seeing my private Orthopaedic Surgeon and private Physiotherapist soon, for initial appointments.
Questions for private Orthopaedic Surgeon
So far, I can only really think of the following questions to ask the private Orthopaedic Surgeon:
I suspect that I might have to wait until the post-imaging consultation for realistic answers.
- What are my chances of a non-surgical (conservative care) recovery?
- If surgery is required:
- What type of surgery would be best? (i.e., what type of surgery would be selected?)
- What are the chances of a complete recovery?
- What are the risks involved with the selected surgery?
- How long would I be in hospital?
- What would the post-surgery rehabilitation process be?
Questions for private Physiotherapist
I could only think of a smaller number of questions to ask my private Physiotherapist:
If anyone thinks I should be asking anything else, please do post!
- What are my chances of a non-surgical (conservative care) recovery?
- How far can a physiotherapy (and related therapies) approach take me towards a recovery?
PART 7. NEXT STEPS AND FUTURE POSTS
The next few weeks involve a lot of important appointments (meetings with an Orthopaedic Consultant, meetings with Physiotherapists, plus undertaking imaging).
I’ll try to post back with the process as it unfolds, to give others in similar situations an insight into what a recovery from this type of injury will entail.
PART 8. A “TLDR SUMMARY” OF MY MAIN LEARNING OUTCOMES SO FAR
- If you get a serious knee injury in the United Kingdom, and you can afford it, take-up good-quality private healthcare (private consultation with an Orthopaedic Consultant/Surgeon, private imaging, private post-imaging consultation, private physiotherapy, potential private surgery) as soon as you can. If you are fortunate to have some resources for this available, the time-and-speed advantages are clear.
- If you are only able to undertake an NHS pathway for a serious bilateral knee injury, be prepared to:
- Advocate for yourself generally, and “stick to your guns” if you are sure the issue is a knee/leg issue, and not a back issue.
- Give a full, true and accurate account of your injury, and do not underplay it.
- Ask for a referral for a consultation with an Orthopaedic Consultant.
- Ask for a good-quality knee/leg orientated MRI.
- Ask for referral to an NHS physiotherapist (but be aware that NHS physiotherapy can be very basic).
- Wait a very long time for initial appointments, and then in-between appointments.
- Start a careful (non-injurious/non-exacerbating) physiotherapy/rehabilitation process as soon as you can, preferably under the guidance of a professional (a qualified physiotherapist).
Thanks for reading my long post.
I hope the post was informative in some way (especially for folks in the UK).
I look forwards to posting back with updates, and all the best!