TKR Milosnanna's Recovery Thread<

Yes, Yes please any help is appreciated. Don't know what I would do without this site and all these brave ladies. They are so informative and inspirational. Just finished reading Jen's. Recovery from 2 TKRs 10 weeks apart. She's amazing
 
I find I'm sitting in recliner with both knees bent most of the time reading threads on here is this okay or should I be stretching I get up ever hr or so and try and do 6 walks = 300 steps is this enough I find the nausea so bad I dread eating someone mentioned blood sugar just wondering if the fact that I have gone right off anything sweet - haven't had so much as a biscuit since before op - would that make a difference to my blood sugar. Also I find doing the raised leg/ice extremely uncomfortable and can only do for 5 minutes - I do it with stacked pillows I am so glad I found this site and all these wonderful people xxxx to alll
 
like you, i went off anything sweet or even flavourful for the first 4 or 5 weeks, until i stopped taking the narcotic meds. i'm not suggesting you do that but i was having too many side effects. i don't know anything about whether or not blood sugar is affected but i'm sure we become deficient in something when we're unable to eat properly. sorry that you find elevating your legs uncomfortable. if i don't use my "Lounge Doctor" foam elevating device, then i have a pillow lengthwise that goes from underneath my thigh down to my ankle, which helps. hope you can find a comfortable position. i think it's good you get up at least every hour to walk around and stretch; not sure how much is appropriate ~ trial and error.:flwrysmile:
 
Don't know how to reply to individual posts learning hope this is right way to reply.

I only take one codeine at night and just 2 paracetamol 4 times daily so having cut out the meds sickness still apparent, not sure why.

I know I am anxious about maybe I'm not doing enough and it will never be right. I'm a worrier.

Funny how we go off anything sweet the body is such a strange thing, I used to love my 90% cocoa chocolate after dinner but couldn't face anything like that now. I think you are 3 months ahead of me hope you are doing well xxx
 
@sistersinhim, I did read your whole journey and couldn't wait every day to read another page or so it kept me focuses on something and you wouldn't believe how much it helped me thank you x
 
hi milosnanna ~ i don't know whether any of the meds you are taking are causing the nausea or not. to clarify, i stopped all meds at 3 weeks post op and it took another 2 weeks to get out of my system to where i could start eating properly. i must admit i still have pain and stiffness and i probably should be taking something for the pain...i'm just wary of side effects. it's an individual decision. you're so right about the body being a strange thing, somehow knowing what's good for us and what isn't, although my body protested almost everything food wise, including my beloved tea. i'm back to eating everything now and you will be too, once you get things figured out ~ the right balance of food and exercise. remember to be patient and try not to overdo it with too much or too forced exercise. i really do empathize with you about the nausea ~ hope you'll feel better soon.
 
@Milosnanna, to reply to someone it's no need to quote the whole post. Just tag them, like I just tagged you, and then go down to the bottom of the page and start writing. If you want to reply to just a part of the post, just high light it, and then quote that part instead of the whole thing.

It takes some getting used to, but not that hard once you learn it.

The meds made me nauseated, too. You can get something from your doctor called Zofram to help. It made me thirsty, but we all need to drink more liquid! I took that and motion-sickness pills. They worked better for me than the Zofram. Good luck!

I'm so glad my journey has helped you. Remember to not overdo the exercises. You don't even need to do them!
 
Don't know how to reply to individual posts learning hope this is right way to reply.
That's okay but do remember, this isn't like Facebook! It's unnecessary to quote a post just to reply to it. Just scoot on down to the bottom of the page and start typing! Unless there is some specific phrase you want to address, of course! Then do it like this How to quote a post.
There are also lots of "How To" articles in here How To Use This Forum - take a browse and learn! :wink:
 
Yes please any help is appreciated
Here y'go then!

It would be very helpful if you would answer each one individually - numbered as I have done - in as much detail as you can then I'll come back as see where you are ....

1. what are your pain levels right now? (remember the 1-10 scale: 1 = no pain and 10 = the worst you can imagine. And don't forget to factor in other forms of pain such as soreness, burning, stabbing, throbbing, aching, swelling and stiffness).

2. what pain medications have you been prescribed, how much are you taking (in mg please) and how often?

3. how swollen is your leg compared to these?
[Bonesmart.org] Milosnanna's Recovery Thread<


4. what is your ROM - that's flexion (bend) and extension (straightness)

5. are you icing your knee at all? If so, how often and for how long?

6. are you elevating your leg. If so how often and for how long?

7. what is your activity level? What do you do in the way of housework, cooking, cleaning, shopping, etc., and

8. are you doing any exercises at home? If so what and how often?
This is the most crucial question so please help me by using the format I have left as an example
(which means please make a list and not an essay!)

Exercises done at home
- how many sessions you do each day
- enter exercise by name then number of repetitions of each
etc., etc.

Anything done at PT
- how many times a week
- enter exercise by name then number of repetitions of each
etc., etc.
 
Bad night last night, spoke too soon yesterday. Just couldn't get comfortable at all, tossing and turning. If it wasn't the knee it was the hip, whichever I was laying on got so uncomfortable. I took a codeine at 6am and was okay for about an hour. This sickness is getting me down too. I am trying a spoonful of yogurt to help elevate, I think I read it on here somewhere

@Josephine not sure if this is right but

Pain level now (is that 1 - 10) if so sitting in recliner and just done300 steps with walker so pain level 3

Meds - prescribed 30 mg codeine 1 or 2 every 4 hours along with 2 500 mg paracetamol - cut down to take just the paracetamol every 4 hours and one codeine before bed and if necessary a codeine in the middle of the night

Left swollen between light and moderate sometimes more on the right

ROM bend is approx 90 but straightness bad. My fault, I haven't done the straightness exercises. Was relying on the walking alternating between walker and crutches

Icing knee constantly when in recliner and in bed only with ice packs

Elevating leg - here is where I have the problem, have found this difficult can only do for 5 minutes then hurts so bad

Activity level - just the walking back and forth between kitchen and lounge - approx 90 steps round trip - about 40 times a day in increments of 6 - 8 and the bathroom visits have tried doing small jobs like preparing tea a couple of times

Exercises done at home - all these just once a day I know I should increase
walking
lots of ankle pumps
leg raises x 10
butt squeezes x 10
leg squeeze x 10
heel slides on bed x 10

Only had physio twice, last one was last Tuesday and she said she didn't need to see me again but I asked if I could go back in two weeks. So next one is a week Tuesday. She said my ROM was 90 but I needed to work on my straightening

I hope this is not too long for you thank you
 
@Josephine not sure if you have read what you asked me to tell you still unsure if I am doing this right I am not very computer literate been checking back all day sorry to be a nag
 
Sorry, I did see it last night for as you can see, I had edited your post. But it was around 1am and bed called!

Pain level now is that 1. If so sitting in recliner and just done 300 steps with walker so pain level 3
Please, do me a favour and put your Fitbit in your drawer! 300 steps is more than enough for one day!
Meds - prescribed 30 mg codeine 1 or 2 every 4 hours along with 2 500 mg paracetamol - cut down to take just the paracetamol every 4 hours and one codeine before bed and if necessary a codeine in the middle of the night
At 4 weeks out, you still need a good pain med. If codeine is making you nauseous, I suggest you contact your GP and request to be changed to something else. Tramadol is usually the drug of choice in the UK. Codeine's okay for hips but useless for knees. Tramadol, on the other had is an excellent pain killer and you can take it with paracetamol.
Left swollen between light and moderate sometimes more on the right
Okay - you did remember that swelling is a form of pain, didn't you? So did you factor this into your pain score?
ROM bend is approx 90 but straightness bad. My fault, I haven't done the straightness exercises. Was relying on the walking alternating between walker and crutches
No it's not 'your fault'. You actually don't need to do any exercises but more about that later. 90 degrees of flexion is good for 4 weeks out.
Icing knee constantly when in recliner and in bed only with ice packs
okay
Elevating leg - here is where I have the problem, have found this difficult can only do for 5 minutes then hurts so bad
Tell me, have you been told to keep your knee completely straight while you elevate? Like this

[Bonesmart.org] Milosnanna's Recovery Thread<


Because that's inevitably going to cause pain. You need to relax the muscles at the back of the knee a bit, like one of these positions

[Bonesmart.org] Milosnanna's Recovery Thread<


Activity level - just the walking back and forth between kitchen and lounge - approx 90 steps round trip - about 40 times a day in increments of 6 - 8 and the bathroom visits have tried doing small jobs like preparing tea a couple of times
That's far too much. Did you read all the articles left for you earlier in this thread? They were very specific in how long to do things ... it's in post #2 and the specific articles I want you to look at here is this one Activity progression for TKRs

Exercises done at home - all these just once a day I know I should increase - actually you will be surprised at what I am now going to tell you to do!
walking - follow the instructions in the activity article I just left you
lots of ankle pumps - these are only for circulation and to prevent blood clots when you were not very mobile. Not you are you can stop them!
leg raises x 10 - 10 at a time is too many. Do just a couple first thing in the morning while you are still in bed. And once you can do them, you don't need to do them anymore!
butt squeezes x 10 - stop these, they do no good and may even cause you pain
leg squeeze x 10 - stop these too, they do no good and may even cause you pain
heel slides on bed x 10 - heel slides are very easy to do badly and this is badly. There was another article in those left earlier - this one Heel slides and how to do them properly - but clearly you haven't read that one either :wink:

Only had physio twice, last one was last Tuesday and she said she didn't need to see me again but I asked if I could go back in two weeks. So next one is a week Tuesday. She said my ROM was 90 but I needed to work on my straightening - I don't agree - 'working' on your extension is entirely the wrong way to go about this.


In summary,
a) you need to read the articles
b) you need to do a lot less so you can rest more
c) you need to stop thinking 'I must, I've got to' and such
c) stop all the exercising and physio appts.​

There are many peoples here who never did any exercising at all for their knee replacements. I was one, not even so much as a single heel slide! I recommend you read my recovery thread to see how little exercising I did for either knee! Knee recoveries UK style Parts I & II (Josephine). Yes, and we all came out the other end with excellent results and having had a lot less pain too!

Fact it, it's not the exercising that gets you your ROM, it's time. Time to recover, time for swelling and pain to settle and time to heal. One thing that seems to be missing from all the PT's protocols is that all your ROM is there right from the start, just waiting for all that to happen so it can show itself. In the general run of things, it doesn't need to be fought for, worked hard for or worried about. It will happen. Exercise as in strength training is counter-productive and in the early weeks does more harm than good. Normal activity is the key to success.

One final article for you to read Saying no to therapy - am I allowed to?
 
You know I'm going to agree with Josephine! You said you read my thread. Do you remember that I did no exercises or PT? My extension was slow coming in, but all I did was lay on the bed on my tummy with my legs hanging over the edge of the bed and let gravity do the rest. It was a short time that I could did it. What helped me most was taking long strides as I held on to my walker and concentrated on toe to heal foot placement. That's all! You do not need to do any exercises to try and bring your extension in. It will come in on its own quicker than if you try and force it to come in with exercises. Please listen to all our experiences.
 
@Josephine thank you so much. I have actually read your recovery thread all the way through, not once but twice. You were the first one I read along with pheebs52 and sisters him. I went back and read yours again yesterday and it really helps me. I guess we all feel we are not doing enough because of the slow progress thank you for all of your advice. I will be taking it x

@sistersinhim loved you recovery thread kept me going through those first really bad weeks couldn't concentrate on to or anything else just wanted to read recovery threads and yours was amazing it's funny but I was there with you in church in ss willing you on out in the garden - haven't been there yet only been out twice to PT but am thinking about it the first thing in the morning.

I am so very very still practically doubled over so can't ever see a time I won't need that walker just to get out of bed. Please tell me this goes.

Also not sleeping very much knee gets so hot at night. I took a herbal mythology last night and it just didn't work. Went to bed at 10, still awake at 12. Trying to find some comfort.

Oh well another day - I do feel guilty sitting in my recliner and can't help the feeling that I should be doing more - oh yes I am going to try that hanging knees over the bed when hubby comes home - well maybe? I'm on my own most days and get a little scared .
 
Are you taking your meds? How about icing, and elevating like Josephine showed you? Many of us bought the Lounge Doctor for elevation. It works well. I tried it myself.

It was almost 5 weeks before I got back to church and I used the walker the first 3 weeks I went back. Anywhere I was outside I had my walker. I used it in the house for months. I have a seat with a basket under it and used it to carry my ice machines, and food and articles to where I sat. You are fine alone. You can do it. Walking is good for you, but you must ice and elevate whenever you're sitting or in bed. Ice relieves pain and reduces swelling.

Don't think of sitting in your recliner as doing nothing. You are doing your job! Your job for that next few months is to heal your knee! Your whole body needs to concentrate on that. Take a look at the way your body is using itself to heal your knee: https://bonesmart.org/forum/threads/energy-drain-for-tkrs.11953/

Feeling heat in your knee is a sign that it's healing. Even now, after a lot of walking or bike riding, my tkr knee is warmer than my old one. It's just God's way of healing us. Heat is a sign of your body's energy being used!

As you've read on here many times, sleeping is really hard to come by. I took 3 naps the first month or so; after breakfast, lunch, and dinner. The first week or so, I'd sleep at night sometimes only 30 minutes at the time, then get up and come on Bonesmart to chat with others that were up, then fall back to sleep for a few minutes in my recliner. That's why I had two ice machines and elevators set up the first few weeks. I never knew where I'd be sleeping and wanted to have everything ready for that sleep time! You can tell I was a Girl Scout...be prepared!
 
Another day - almost at my 4 week mark.

Actually made a small meal for husband and myself tonight quite proud of myself.

Also contacted doctor and asked for Tramadol. Will know tomorrow as codeine making me feel nauseous. Not sure if it could be the paracetamol as I have only taken codeine at night and in the middle of the night.

What is the gabapentin for, does that help sleep? Heard it mentioned on here a couple of times.

Anyway another day another dreaded night. I look forward to going to bed but when I get there it is a real struggle.
 
I am going to try that hanging knees over the bed when hubby comes home
I wish you wouldn't. Don't you remember what I said about exercises?
Will know tomorrow as codeine making me feel nauseous. Not sure if it could be the paracetamol
Paracetamol definitely does NOT cause nausea. But codeine does, even small amounts.
What is the gabapentin for, does that help sleep?
Gabapentin is a drug used for nerve pain which is very nasty and intense and which the usual pain killers don't work at all.
 
@sistersinhim just tried the legs over end of bed could do for 1 minute but did feel good after how many times a day would you recommend xx
 

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