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Newly surgical patients shouldn't have to worry about having adequate pain control. Healing should be their main concern. Again, a few are controlling the many. It seems that doctors would realize that pain inhibits healing and movements. Of course, they have to answer to the government. Even veterinarians do, too. They think we might take our pet's pain meds. What has happened to common sense. I'm off my soapbox. I apologize!

@momweb, I agree for you to ice as much as you can. I iced the whole time I was sitting or laying down. Hours at the time! Having a cloth between your knee and the ice is a must to protect it from frostbite. Ice is a wonderful pain killer.
 
I hope you were able to get the pain meds today. I can understand wanting to give small prescriptions and monitoring closely--my OS did--but I was able to call in and talk to the nurse and then they (the OS or PA) would write a new prescription for either the same or an adjusted dose. Of course that was just before things got so crazy with the opioid abuse situation...
I think you were smart to keep track of your pain and what you were taking--more info for the doc is always good.
 
Today I see the OS for my 2 week check-up. I've already been dismissed by my home PT and have scheduled out-patient PT eval for tomorrow morning. We're then heading to New Hampshire for 4 days away from everything. I need to renew. I'll still do my exercises without anyone watching. I'll still ice and I've given up on the Oxycodone because I've realized how much it was making me ill.

Hopefully the bandage will come off and I can let the shower water run down my leg. Heaven! Hope all is well with everyone!
 
How far a ride is it to NH?
 
@Jockette it's a 3 1/2 hour ride to our place in New Hampshire. I tested a 2 hour drive this past weekend to visit my son in Rhode Island. I used an ice pack that wraps around the knee. It stayed cold for about 45 minutes. I left the wrap on the whole time and the compression helped a lot. I also sat in the front with my foot on a pillow. I'm trying to figure out a way to pack the ice packs for the longer trip. My Iceman is electric and won't work in the car. Any suggestions?
 
I don’t have any suggestions since at 2 weeks just the 15 minute ride to out patient PT was very uncomfortable for me!

I’m glad you did a test drive and managed it well.
 
@momweb to get power in your car you can use one of these
BESTEK 300W Power Inverter DC 12V to 110V AC Car Inverter with 4.2A Dual USB Car Adapter There's several options on Amazon. I've used one before and it worked great. I haven't used one for an ice machine but would think it would work fine. :)
 
We have a small cooler that we put in the car to hold my gel packs. It would keep them just cold enough to stay icy for a few hours. Then I could switch out once along the way. I would "test drive" any ice machine in the car kind of set up, both to make sure it works on the car's electrical system and also the space issue. For a short trip I'm not sure the ice machine is worth the trouble. Simplicity has its charms.
 
Just curious as to What ever happened with your OS and getting your oxy script renewed and how cvs handled it.
 
@Dzina the surgeon finally agreed to the refill and I had no problem refilling on CVS. Funny thing is that I started to feel sick on the oxy a couple of days later so I weaned myself off the drug. I went through a partial withdrawal but I'm glad I did it. He then gave me a script for Vicodin to use at night. My insurance is fighting the Tramadol script that he wanted me to use during the day as needed. As this point, I really understand. If I could give them back the oxy I would, but it doesn't work that way.

Went to my first PT outpatient this morning. I didn't take anything beforehand. He worked my knee quite a bit and I was ok. Got the flexion to 100. But by 3PM I was in pretty decent pain that I did need to take a pain pill. Hopefully that will get better as we go along. I'll do my own exercises until I see him again next Wednesday.
 
The after effects of your PT workout is an indication that you did too much for your infant knee. Please be careful and give her lots of TLC! You are doing too good to have a set-back.
 
@momweb, just read your recovery thread for first time today. My surgery was two days after yours.

I read with much interest your struggle with/for pain meds, specifically oxycodone. My experience was somewhat similar to yours. Although I was very reluctant to take the oxy offered me in the hospital, by the end of the first day - and a brutal DOUBLE session of physical therapy - I gladly took 10mg of oxy prior to each session I had to attend the second day. I have the same sensitivity as many here have stated - made my stomach upset, constipation, wobbly, etc. very uncomfortable.

The third day , while I was still in the hospital and still felt great pain despite the 10mg doses of oxy prior to PT, my husband asked my OS for a greater dose for me while he visited, as my pain was significantly uncontrolled at 10 mg.

Well I thought the surgeon, who everyone seems to think is a very kind and excellent person, looked at him as if he was trying to obtain heroin for me. He patiently explained why more oxy would be a very bad idea, but then left hurriedly. Getting my pain under control became an open question.

To confuse things further, I had a visit from the PA who told me “ not to be afraid of the oxycodone because it differed from oxycontin with the implication being that - because it exited the system in 4-6 hours, there was less chance of addiction.”

So I went home, like you, with a prescription for what appeared to be a decent amount of oxycodone, but at a dosage of 5-10mg every 4-6 hours, I quickly realized I’d be done in about a week. And I was armed with a paper in my “take home” portfolio warning me to NOT request a refill when my prescriptions leaving hospital for any narcotic pain relievers were exhausted.

I took the oxy for a few days, but it made me nauseous and extremely weepy. My therapist urged me to use the Tramadol I had from a previous surgery and the PA seemed to think that might be better for me instead of the oxy. However, it also made me a little tearful and very blue, without taking away the pain more than a little. Even with Tylenol!

So, I thought I would suck it up, do less harsh exercising and try to ride out the worst of the pain with Tylenol and the relief that Celebrex gave me. I concentrated instead on simple exercises and normal walking around the house. The home PT worked with me on this and never approached the horrid exercises forced on me in hospital. And my progress appears to be decent even through some pretty bad pain.

My emotional state this week was much better as a result of that decision but my pain - especially at night remains significant. But after all the narcotic turmoil I just don’t want to go back there. My home therapist was also much gentler and kinder than the Nazi therapists in the hospital; so she gave me hope I’d get through this week without the narcotic medicine but words cannot express n the middle of the night how relentless that pain can be.

To put icing on the cake, I was told today by my therapist to not get too attached to the relief I get from the Celebrex, as it has its own dangerous side effects and must get discontinued shortly . SIGH!!

Telling you this whole story because it’s obvious there is a real confusion and quite an inadequate plan - in general- for many surgeons in the US in dealing with controlling the pain of their patients after this surgery right now. Mixed signals are provided and even conflicting messages from all the members of the “team” in the whole area of medication. Similar mixed messages are present when we try to figure out how much and what type of therapy is optimum. The therapy message seems to vary by each therapist. Each one has his or her own private dictate as to what one should do to rehabilitate.

When we are already in a state of quite long and debilitating PAIN, too often the messages about therapy and pain control are so varied as to make us even more fearful of a “wrong” decision.

I know I am going on for too long already but the reason I trust the advice of people here is that we have all been through it. And frankly the confusing messages from a lot of professionals who have not “been there; done that” just aren’t quite as meaningful as the messages from the people on this forum who have gone through - or are still going through- the same issues as I am.

So I hear all the opinions - from everyone - but I usually give this forums' members ideas more weight because I know they have gone through the same thing as me.

But the current state of there being all kinds of opinions among professional medical staff about the best route to recovery - whether the question be which therapy or what drugs or even whether to use a CPM for ROM - is just frustrating.

Best of luck to you momweb, enjoy your little trip. You’ve earned it!- Kathy


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@Kathy0427 oh wow! That's all I can say. Boy do I hear ya! When I went for my surgeon's pre op I asked about how home pain relief would be handled. I was assured that I would be given whatever and how much I needed, not to worry. Move to reality...The person at the office who made me feel like I was asking for way too many drugs, I found out later was a fill-in and doesn't work permanently in my surgeon's office. So, that was part of the problem....communication. It took 3 days for my surgeon to get my message and refill my oxy even though I had asked for something else. UGH!

I was at my 2 week check-up on Tuesday and told them that the pharmacy refilled the oxy but I just can't take it. The nausea, the loopy feeling and awful sense of well-being was more than I could handle. I wish I could return the drug to CVS like we do clothing that doesn't fit. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. The surgeon did give me a script for Vicodin which my insurance accepted. He wanted me to take Tramadol during the day, but the insurance is fighting this. Who can blame them? I got 80 oxy of which I took 10. I have 30 Vicodin. How much pain meds does one woman need? The answer? The right pain meds for the person!!!

So, I take nothing for the most part during the day. But like you, Kathy, nights are not so great. I try to ice as needed during the night, but I still need at least 2 Vicodin to get me through. I spend so much time massaging the achiness and pain that I don't sleep. I did find that my old body pillow has become my friend. I used it on the floor driving up here to New Hampshire and it worked great. I was actually pretty comfortable the entire ride. Last night after spending an hour on the couch, in the recliner, back on the couch (I couldn't sleep in the bed), I went out to the car, got the body pillow and went back to bed. Surprise!! I went to sleep. Got up at 9:00 this morning and although I'm still tired, I feel like this may work.

Hang it there, we will get there together!!
 
@momweb I'd really like to offer you some structured advice but in order to do that, I also need to ask you some questions. Are you willing for me to do that?
 
@momweb and @Kathy0427 - it amazes me how different and inconsistent the policies for pain meds are from Doctor to Doctor, state to state and insurance co to insurance co. Certainly causes lots of anxiety and frustration. Hopefully the powers that be will eventually find common ground that works to prevent addiction but also works to control pain for those in need.
 
it amazes me how different and inconsistent the policies for pain meds are from Doctor to Doctor, state to state and insurance co to insurance co. Certainly causes lots of anxiety and frustration. Hopefully the powers that be will eventually find common ground that works
@Dzina You are joking, I trust? The idea that we could ever reach the paradise of having all doctors thinking, prescribing and working the same is mind boggling! I've always said - put 5 doctors in a room to discuss a topic and you'll always get 5 opinions! It can't be otherwise any more than you could get parity amongst politicians or trade unions or anyone else! People are all different and always will be.

Or to put it another way - in French! Vive la difference!
 
Tomorrow it will be 3 weeks with my new knee. I did make it the 3.5 hour drive to New Hampshire without a hitch. I used a body pillow to put on the floor to rest my knee. I also purchased a cold pack called CryoMax which was supposed to stay cold for up to 8 hours. Even they admit it probably will only last 4 continuous hours, which it did. It wasn't ice cold at the end of 4 hours, but it was still cold. So, for those of you with car trips ahead of you, this might be a good option. I was pleased with the results.
 
I'm glad the car trip went well.

Enjoy your time away, and use it as an opportunity to spend plenty of time resting, icing and elevating.
 
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