TKR Sarah Jane's Summer Journey and Fall Frolic

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@SaraJane I can't say anything about the Percocet since I take Norco 7.5 I didn't want to go through withdrawal. Tylenol works pretty good for the in between times. I take the Ultra Strength of 1000 mgs. I am hoping my OS will drain my knees tomorrow or gives me something better for pain.:doggie:Vent all you want. That's what we are here for and the support is great. If I had never found this site I would be lost. It's nice to know others are going through the same thing
 
You are just a month out. Barely the first leg (pardon the pun) of the race. (And it's not a race. :wink: )
 
Such a common thing we all have in trying to cut down our meds before we should or need too. I did exactly the same so had to smile. Take the max dose of Tylenol to ease the pain. Your 2 Percocet count as 700mg so you have 3,300mg left thats 3 doses of 2 x 500 mg with room to spare! Personally I found the extended release Tylenol capsules took at least 30 plus minutes to kick in so made sure to take on a schedule not just when I started to feel the pain. The administrators can point you in the right direction and I know there is a pain med chart that gives you a timetable of what and when to take that I found so useful - I am trying to find the link for you @pumpkin can you help?
Wishing you less pain tomorrow than you have today. Take care
 
@SarahJane
It's too early to be cutting back on your meds. Stick to the Pescocet for now. You still need it.
 
I am so, so, so grateful for this forum and all the wisdom here.

The physical therapist I saw on Monday was about 38% physical torturist, 35% following a cookie cutter approach to physical therapy, and 28% willing to listen to me. Thanks to what I've read here, I felt comfortable in refusing to keep my knee in a heel slide which was forced by use of one of those elastic bands. I told her not to use too much pressure from her hands when she was trying to get a lower extension angle. And when she took me over to the exercise bike and asked me to do five minutes on it, I said no. I did get on it, though, and moved the pedals back and forth just as far as was comfortable. I stayed on it for a few minutes, and gradually increased the degree of my pedaling until I was moving about 270 degrees of the full circle.

My home physical therapist measured my flexion at 95 degrees. She estimated my extension when I extended my leg from a sitting position, and said it was OK. The surgeon just eyeballed my extension and flexion, and said it was fine. So I was somewhat alarmed by the physical therapist's reaction. She wasn't happy with my flexion, even when I scooted my heel back as far as I could. Using the elastic band, I was able to get it to 120 degree -- for a second, not the 30 seconds she wanted. I relaxed my grip on the band even though she wanted me to hold it. She said my extension was at 10 degrees, and started to push down on my thigh and calf to see if it would go lower. I told her to reduce her pressure. Luckily, she didn't insist on forcing it.

She noticed that my operated knee was warmer than my non-operated one. And she demonstrated how to massage the scar and adjacent area with medium pressure from fingers going across the scar. She suggested using Johnson's Baby Oil with Vitamin E for the massage, several times a day.

She went over a number of exercises, which she want me to do two or three times a day. She asked if I was walking 30 minutes at a time. I said no. (I think the longest I've walked has been 20 minutes, and that's not every day.) She encouraged me to aim for 30 minutes.

@Josephine, @Roy Gardiner and others: Here are the exercises she gave me:

Page 1 is seated or lying down exercises.

AROM hip/knee fix (heel slides) with scarf: 1 set of 10 reps twice a day. Perform 1 rep every 4 seconds.

Stretch knee fix prone (moving knee back toward buttocks using ankle of uninvolved behind foot to increase stretch): 1 set of 5 repetitions twice a day. Hold each for 30 seconds.

Stretch knee ext supine (ankle supported on rolled towel): 1 set of 5 reps twice a day. Hold 30 seconds.

Straight Leg Raise (supine): 1 set of 5 reps twice a day. Hold for 30 seconds.

She also put sketches or notes of some other exercises, which I'm not sure I understand. One appears to be a variation of the stretch knee prone, where you bend your involved leg 90 degrees while prone at the end of the bed. There's a very ambiguous sketch next to the notation hip abduction. I have no idea what she wants me to do there. The word quad set are circled, with no diagram or explanation. I'm guessing she wants me to do isometric muscle tightening exercises.

Page 2 is standing exercises.

AROM hip abd uni stand: 3 sets of 10 reps once a day, resting 1 minute between sets. Perform 1 rep every 4 seconds. Do this once a day.

AROM hip ext stand: move involved leg back 3 sets of 10 reps once a day, 1 rep every 4 seconds.

AROM knee squat bil partial, bending knee to 45 degrees: 3 sets of 10 reps once a day, 1 rep every 4 seconds.

Sketches and notes:

Heel raises.

Tandem standing heel to toe.

Single leg standing, hold for 10 seconds.

Side Step Walking


I haven't done all of these exercises as prescribed. I did a set of three or four stretch knee ext supine twice that day. One was without weights. For the other, I used rice-filled flannel hot packs as weights. I did some stretch knee extensions prone without involving the opposite foot to extend the stretch. I did about three straight leg raises. I did a set of hip abd uni stands, some heel raises and single legs standing. I scattered these exercises throughout the day and evening.

I also massaged the area adjacent to the scar a couple of times. I was icing over 50% of the time. I elevated about half the time I was icing, the other time I had my leg flat on the mattress.

I had a rough time with tummy pain (thank you, Percocet and uncoated Tylenol) and a knee which was a bit more swollen and sore thanks to Monday's torturcises.

I sent out an SOS email to local friends looking for someone who could replenish my supply of saltines, bananas, etc., and pick up some coated Tylenol. But my knee, which was stiff when I woke up that morning, was decidedly more flexible by the time I went to bed.

Today (Wednesday) my knee was a little swollen and one or two movements hurt. Mostly when I lay on my tummy with my legs over the side of the bed and then bent the knee up with a slight movement to my right. The pain was probably ligaments or muscles, which makes sense because pre-surgery the knee had been vargus, probably leading to some shortening.

I had a discussion with my OS, via his nurse, about whether I was on the appropriate pain medication (yes) and whether taking more Zofran anti-nausea meds when I took a Percocet or with the Tylenol would make a difference (no). I was able to switch to a different physical therapist for my next appointment.

This afternoon, a friend came over and we went to my condominium's pool. I was able to get in and out OK thanks to gentle cement steps and a railing. I did some of the exercises (leg to side, leg to back, high step up, maybe a couple of others) and walked in the water some. I took things slowly, and rested or chatted with my friend or watched kids having fun in the water between short sets of exercises.

I iced and elevated maybe 40% of the day.

My knee is a bit more swollen than it was yesterday, and the ligaments and/or muscles a little more sore. I'm definitely going to take it easy tomorrow!

I read several things on here a while back about massaging the scar. But I've got the posts a bit muddled in my memory. Am I right in remembering that @Josephine doesn"t think it is necessary. I'm 5 weeks out. Is it too soon? Is it necessary? It felt good when the physical therapist did it. It feels nice, not good, when I do it. There are no signs of a keiloid (sp?) forming. But along the lower quarter of the left scar, the skin on the lefthand side is slightly higher than the skin on the right. Is it common for one side's tissues to be a bit more irritated or inflamed than those on the other side?

Do you think I should postpone my next physical therapy appointment (currently set for next Wednesday)? I'm with an HMO. They don't have a policy where the surgeon writes a prescription for X numbr of weeks of physical therapy, but my experience with prior injuries is that I only got 3-6 visits before I'm discharged to continue them on my own.

Thanks for reading this long, long post.
 
I'm not surprised it's more swollen, I sometimes wonder what planet these physios are on, certainly not planet earth. I think Josephine said it's not necessary but can't be sure, l to cocoa butter into my scar and it is is tender in certain places, probably soft tissue healing. It's far too soon for 5 weeks out to do things like your Physio regime, If it were me, l would postpone the next session.

Good luck.
 
Well done. Yes you need to keep moving and stretching but at those few weeks after ther is still healing to be done. Rule of pushing and uncomfortable is OK, pain isn't.

Legin THR Sep 14
 
SarahJane, my rules of thumb at the early stage are
(a) stretches are good as long as they are gentle and without pain
(b) strength exercises are not necessary and can be counter-productive if they put force through the knee (like a leg raise does).
(c) you can't really do any harm by doing too little exercise
(d) you can do harm by doing too much.
... lay on my tummy with my legs over the side of the bed and then bent the knee up with a slight movement to my right.
There are other, gentler extension exercises you can do, especially if you have a partner. Check my exercises thread from my sig to see some pix.
 
Torturcises. :heehee:
Didn't the pool feel great?
Here is what my PT showed me about taking care of my scar: first I place my thumbs lightly on either side of the scar, one thumb just above the other. Then I push in gently so that the scar forms an "s" right there. (Hard to describe, but hope the gist is coming across). I do this up and down the length of the scar. At first I could feel it almost breaking up, but now is quite pliable. Next I press my thumb directly down on the scar (gently) and keeping my thumb in one place on the skin I move it in a tiny circle. The I lift my thumb, move it down the scar a smidge, and do the same thing. All the way down. Then I take E45 and apply it up and down the length of the scar. She told me not to rub back and forth, just up and down. I took a picure last week for the Badge of Honor thread. Looking good, I think. Six weeks out today.
 
I am surprised you have to hold the positions for 30 seconds. That seems a bit long. My in home physio said to hold for 5 seconds and my private PT says to hold for the count of saying "I hate physiotherapists" three times. I am a week behind you and you are doing way more than me. I still have so much pain and stiffness that I know I couldn't do the stuff you are doing. Maybe I'm a wimp though!
 
Thanks for your posts, everyone.

I'm inclined to agree with you, @CATSMUM. I'm going to call and see if I can get an appointment the following week. And @Legin, practical and supportive as always, TY.

@Roy Gardiner, no human partner here, I'm afraid. Haven't been in the mood or shape to date recently, and good old Mr. Right turned out to be Mr. Not Right Now, then Mr. No Way Even If You Were The Last Man On Earth a while back. You think the rather independent cat or very small and wet betta fish could assist in your stretching exercises? I'll take a look at them.

Another great bit of advice, @Slainte. When did you first start doing them?

I *love* your private physiotherapist's sense of humor, @cairistiona60. BTW, my maternal grandfather's family were among those who left Scotland for Nova Scotia. McGregors, MacGregors, McKeens ...
 
@SarahJane living in Canada is just like being in Scotland there are so many Scottish people here. I even started taking Gaelic lessons in Toronto. Travelled 3,000 miles to learn my own language.

Returning to the knee topic, do you sometimes feel that your knee will never be normal again. I try not to feel like that but sometimes I can't help it.
 
Started doing my scar massage at 3 weeks out exactly.
 
Thanks for your quick reply, @Slainte. Took a look at the Badge of Honor thread, and saw your beautiful knee, @Slainte. Also saw two pictures @CATSMUM posted. Gotta say it was a bit overwhelming to scroll through several pages of the thread, especially some of the ones taken right after surgery. The ones several weeks and months after surgery were looking pretty good, though. WTG, Bonesmarties.

@Roy Gardiner, I asked a friend to help me with some of the two-person exercises. We have a date and time set up for Saturday. @Pumpkln, @kneeper, @Celle, @KarriB, got any thoughts or advice on which exercises to do and which to avoid from those I listed in my earlier post, or any other ones you'd do at this stage of my recovery?
 
Er OK SarahJane, there is a way of doing the extension thing by yourself, as shown in my thread. Sorry about the Last Man on Earth, didn't mean to resurrect anything.
I asked a friend to help me with some of the two-person exercises. We have a date and time set up for Saturday.
Cool. Hope it's not a man... :heehee:
 
Your exercises look pretty much like what I had. I just didn't do nearly the number of reps listed. And I refused to do anything resembling squats.
 
Well, I don't agree with any of that, SarahJane. You've got to 120 already, why would you want to do more exercising! All you're going to do is get your knee all sore and stiff and swollen and there really is no need for that. After all, you're only 5 weeks out and to have 120 at 5 weeks is awesome! Okay, your extension isn't great but that's okay too. Just do some walks and it will come back all on its own. And if you want more inspiration, read my recovery threads (in signature) and see how much exercising I did!
 
Tell that betta fish to pull his weight around there! Oh, wait. As a betta fish, he probably already is! As for the cat, well, you know what prima donas they are! ;)
 
Thanks, @kneeper. That's reassuring. I'm just doing the number of reps that feel comfortable, and far less frequently than the sheets require. And no way am I going to do squats, even in the water. They were the one thing I tried in my pre-surgery (lazy woman's) conditioning which really, really, really hurt. My knee starts to swell when I even *think* of it.

@Roy Gardiner, nah, just a neighbor. And no offense taken; the ex-ing process was my ides. I'm waiting until I can do more advanced physical therapy exercises (wink wink nudge nudge) before I start dating. Or at least until I can do things like hiking and contradancing, which I used to do, and other co-ed activities.

@Josephine, I've wanted to read your threads. Now that I'm no longer doing scores and scores of exercises I might just have the time!
 
@PolarBear60, LOL! I'll ask Guildenstern (the betta fish) if I can share his fish bowl for aqua exercises. ;) I used to have two bettas, in two tanks, and named them Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. Rosencrantz was a method actor, apparently, as he up and died. Guess he took auditioning for the play Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead literally. LOL.
 
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