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HerbM: Here We Go Again, Bilateral TKRs for late October/early November

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But how the heck do you see the fishing trawler from the "Outback"? ;)

Most people don't remember or never read the Atkins book carefully enough to know the original book had 3 diets:
  1. Weight loss (very low or zero carbs)
  2. Weight gain (high quantity, complex carbs)
  3. Weight maintenance (moderate complex carbs)
Funny thing is my OS suggested the original Atkins diet to me without knowing that was already my preference.

Sugar is my undoing -- when not on a zero carb diet I tend to eat all of the ice cream in sight.

Were it not for that and the fact that my wife is a fantastic cook, I would be in perfect shape :)
 
Haha... I don't give away my location Herb, @HerbM ........

Yes, I am very well versed in Atkins..

Yes well like I said - balanced diet - includes an occasional discretion :)

I am known for my homemade ice cream - frozen bananas as the base and I add other fresh fruit?.. Hubby loves it. Now he can have ice cream every night because it has nothing else added, no cream, no milk, no additives, maybe add pure cocoa for chocolate, or fresh strawberries and mint... Just let your imagination run. I also make my own chocolate with pure coconut oil, 100% natural cocoa! small amount of coconut sugar - voila... I like apricots, strawberries dipped in chocolate and quite often I add cinnamon and ginger.. The possibilities are endless! :)
 
Been meaning to post a pic of where I am starting, right knee pic but left knee is virtually a mirror image, and anyone can see the medial (to the right in the pic) bone on bone issue:

[Bonesmart.org] HerbM:  Here We Go Again, Bilateral TKRs for late October/early November
 
I can see bone-on-bone in the tibial crest too! (red) And a doozy of sharp bone spur (osteophyte) on the right (blue)

[Bonesmart.org] HerbM:  Here We Go Again, Bilateral TKRs for late October/early November


However, I am a little bit concerned that my wife will have to spend a lot (too much?) time and energy helping me in and out of bed, and if it's going to be a month or two as in @Roy Gardiner 's case
I never had anyone help me in and out of bed, even in hospital. You might like to read the potted version of my recovery to see how I did! Knee recovery - UK style
 
I had one leg that lifted pretty easily and one that I couldn't lift for over a week. Even with that "bum" leg, I didn't need any help getting in/out of bed. I did ask my husband a few times to lift that right leg onto the bed for me once I was almost all the way in. But most days, I either lifted it myself with my hands, or used my leg lifter that a friend lent me. I also never needed any help getting up/down from my chair or recliner. My arms get a big workout - but I've always been able to do it myself.

I think the biggest area where I needed my husbands help was with food, household chores and filling my ice machine with ice. He helped me dress the first 2-3 day and I remember the first PT day, he needed to help me with my shoes and socks. By about day 4 or 5, I could completely dress myself, put on my own shoes, etc.
 
Even if you only have a 50/50 chance of each ultimately succeeding, it only takes 7 in a chain to take the overall odds to 99%, presuming you can survive and keep the chain going, by the time you get to 10 in a chain, the odds are in your favor at 99.9% (i.e., 2 ^ 10 = 1024 -- the bad guy has less than 1 chance in a thousand.)

That's a great inspirational idea, Herb, but as you obviously know that it can be reworded the other way*, what do you say to a student that points this out?




*For instance: Keep attacking; even if you only have a 50/50 chance of each move making the kill, it only takes 7 in a chain to take the overall odds to 99%, presuming you can keep going; by the time you get to 10 in a chain, the odds are in your favor at 99.9% (i.e., 2 ^ 10 = 1024 -- the target has less than 1 chance in a thousand.)
 
Hey @HerbM, be jealous, I go in on Wednesday! (but only for a singleton)

Saw this and thought of you. If she can do it, so can you!



Everyone I've spoken to has said to eat a high protein diet for healing period, that our bodies need it. Not saying more than that, because I don't know more than that. I will ban ice cream from the house, though.

Jane B.
 
Great story @Josephone & @ljrfrm -- so it can be pretty comfortable and easy.

Nice to know.
That's a great inspirational idea, Herb, but as you obviously know that it can be reworded the other way*, what do you say to a student that points this out?




*For instance: Keep attacking; even if you only have a 50/50 chance of each move making the kill, it only takes 7 in a chain to take the overall odds to 99%, presuming you can keep going; by the time you get to 10 in a chain, the odds are in your favor at 99.9% (i.e., 2 ^ 10 = 1024 -- the target has less than 1 chance in a thousand.)

Pretty much they don't point this out since we teach them to keep the chain going and criminals seldom practice such things.

The odds of a kill are much lower than 50% unless it is an out an out assassination (in which case most people are screwed anyway) -- we are largely talking about criminal assaults for robberies, rapes, and kidnappings.

It also helps that practically no one can break *MY* chains. :)

Of course, even were what you suppose true, it was always true, even before the student started practicing "Principle Based Disarm Chains."

Finally, I invented a method of TRAINING (not the idea itself) how to "stay connected to an attacker" and move as masters do, almost before the attacker moves.

We kept wondering how they were doing that, and also why no one else could and why they didn't teach it explicitly.

One seminar, one of the masters accidentally let enough information out (I don't think he was purposely holding back just that such people didn't realize they had not on the method but how to teach it quickly) and I grabbed hold of the basic concept then built the drills to allow each person to teach it to himself or herself.
 
Hey @HerbM, be jealous, I go in on Wednesday! (but only for a singleton)

Saw this and thought of you. If she can do it, so can you!
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Everyone I've spoken to has said to eat a high protein diet for healing period, that our bodies need it. Not saying more than that, because I don't know more than that. I will ban ice cream from the house, though.

Jane B.

Yes it is possible.

I plan to eat precisely that way. Thanks for both the video and the nutrition idea.

I have been watching a lot of videos including of the surgeries themselves. A big part of me would like to stay awake and WATCH, if they would give me a mirror up above, but I don't deal well with lying on my back for extended periods so my choice will be to sleep through it for that reason.

It would be nice if they would make a movie for later viewing though. :)

Today at yoga, and afterwards even while pool walking, my knees (especially the left) just kept screaming at me. Well, the poor thing got me through the hip pain so it does deserve a rest.

My plans after BTKR include going to rehab for a week or more, but I also haven't given up on the idea of just getting up and walking out of there with my two canes.

Whatever happens, I will just deal with it.
 
@HerbM

Did you find your other cane?

:swim::biking::running:

Girl, you remember everything don't you? :)

Funny story that.

Lost one of the first pair of Hurrycane's I bought, sometime just before the hip replacement, couldn't figure out where in the world it might have been left as I wasn't walking that great prior to surgery and it would have been pretty hard to forget.

So I ordered another.

About the time it arrived, I was looking for a tool out in the garage, looked down, and there was the missing cane, fallen into a bunch of 'stuff' in the garage.

Apparently, when I was looking for tools to assemble the over-bed table prior to the first surgery it fell and was forgotten.

The newest one is still in the box and I am planning on giving it to my surgeon (who expressed a desire to "buy some and sell them at cost in the office"). Give him one to start, or to give to someone who can't afford it.
 
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Re the get up video, yup, downward dog is your friend after knee replacement. That's pretty much how I get my lard butt off the deck.
 
Only my downward dog looks like the "horizontal frog" -- but hey, it gets me up off the floor.


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My cheap digital "goniometer" (joint protractor) arrived -- battery installed and they even included a spare. Less than $13 on Amazon with shipping included: https://www.amazon.com/Electronic-G...ional-Physical/dp/B00ES2BQZY/?tag=ate362da-20

It's probably a little inaccurate to measure this myself, but Carol is away, watching the grand twins while our daughter is at an autism convention (Andrew is autistic).

Left knee: 100 degrees (it's mostly that tendonitis?? in the lateral hamstring that prevents further flexion. Using the term tendonitis loosely here -- pain in right behind the lateral knee joint.)

Right knee: 121 degrees (this one is right now the good knee, on the hip procedure side, and is limited mostly by the tendons on the front of the knee, quad etc.)

That left knee (same pain area) has been giving me the MOST trouble of anything since the hip surgery (far more than the hip of course.)

Also, my left foot has picked up a pain on the underside, lateral, just about where the rear/lateral meeting instead where the heel meets the outside weight bearing edge of the foot. It's sharp and causes what I think of as "strength turnoff" when it hurts.

Doesn't seem to be any actual 'damage' there (i.e., structural problem), just some nerve pain that hurts significantly as weight is put on the foot. (About a 4 pain, but the main issue is it tries to prevent me from stepping on it.)
 
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Our knees have a way of skewing other body parts toward pain and dysfunction. Last evening for about half an hour I had a lovely epiphany of Life With Two Good Knees. IT bands in both legs were relaxed, swelling way down in the right knee, visions of sugar plums and all that. Last time both legs felt that good was about 2months after the first pkr. Right knee was so happy it wasn't toting the whole load that it didn't hurt or collapse on me for several weeks. Then it was back to business as usual .
 
Hi @HerbM You've listed your pre-op flexion stats. Any thoughts if better pre-op stats translate to faster gain of ROM post-op?
 
Hi @HerbM You've listed your pre-op flexion stats. Any thoughts if better pre-op stats translate to faster gain of ROM post-op?

The only solid information I have is that my first surgeon said the post-op would not be as good as the pre-op ROM which I thought rather odd and hope is either untrue or a misunderstanding on my part.

He claimed they just hope not to LOSE too much.

Even it true, this would mean that more ROM pre-op might lead to more post-op, or more easily regaining whatever the final ROM happens to be.

Maybe this was one of the statements that prompted me to begin to look for a 2nd opinion.

My goniometer will help me to both establish a baseline pre-op (since it likely varies on different days) and to monitor my ROM post-op to see what improvements are occurring.
 
Hi @HerbM You've listed your pre-op flexion stats. Any thoughts if better pre-op stats translate to faster gain of ROM post-op?

No.
No matter what your pre-op ROM, you can't improve post-op ROM any faster than your knee and its management allow you.

You can't hurry ROM. You can't work harder to increase ROM.

While some say that pre-op ROM can be a predictor of expected post-op ROM, even that is not certain. A lot depends on the condition of muscles and tendons and the difficulty of the operation.
 
Thanks so much @Celle and @HerbM. My LTKR is a ways out so haven't been posting much just mostly reading the post-op recovery stories for guidance and inspiration but when I saw Herb's pre-op stats it got me wondering. I know the closer I get and the more my nerves take over, I'll have many more questions. So grateful to have found this forum. Really can't imagine proceeding without it.
 
... My LTKR is a ways out so haven't been posting much just mostly reading the post-op recovery stories for guidance and inspiration but when I saw Herb's pre-op stats it got me wondering. I know the closer I get and the more my nerves take over, I'll have many more questions. So grateful to have found this forum. Really can't imagine proceeding without it.

Remember also that my pre-op stats were just one data point, a single point in time, and self-measured so subject to difficulty with confirming accuracy (although they are certainly fairly close to correct in that moment.)

Generally, I am hearing and reading that better conditioning (strength in quads etc.) is likely to make for a smoother recovery will less difficulties, but I really need to explore this idea of pre-ROM vs. post-ROM.

It seems to me if pre-op ROM is poor due to mechanical defects (malalignment, osteophytes or bone spurs, etc.) then removing all those issues could easily obtain a better post-op ROM and there would be no reason for my first surgeon to say, 'We hope not to lose MUCH ROM during the replacement.'

But then originally, I was under the impression that improving the ROM was part of THE POINT of a TKR which according to what the prior surgeon told me would be incorrect.

In general, it seems it would never hurt to go in with the healthiest knee (and leg) you possibly can. Your quads and such are still going to be mobilizing the knee so having them healthy must generally be a good thing.

For me a healthy quad is a strong and flexible quad so I am going to approach this BTKR through weight training (machines), pool therapy, yoga, and perhaps even most importantly Meridian Stretching/Training (see above).

Right now, my attention is however focused pretty strongly on Mechanical vs. Kinematic alignment techniques (the Kinematic seeming to offer a much better chance for *MY* satisfaction, i.e., feels like a normal knee, no/reduced pain, no/reduced stiffness, better ROM.)

My current pain levels are not extremely high, and that is even with the fact that my left knee (especially) is currently a big more angry than it usually has been over the past 5-10 years.

I could easily get by with no pain killers (not even NSAIDs or Tylenol) if my knee were at the typical pain levels of 2008-2014. Especially if I cut off 2013 & 2014 which were apparently severely adversely affected by the otherwise non-symptomatic (i.e., no pain) right hip. Likely the left hip is also exerting a negative (but not painful) input to my left leg as it also requires replacing soon.

There is a desire for us to "control everything" and I neither discount that tendency nor argue against it -- it's clear that much of this will ultimately be OUT of *my* control but that won't stop me from trying to do every reasonable thing within my power to work towards an excellent outcome.

That doing this also assuages many of my fears and concerns is not a bad thing either.

What I am doing is as much as practical and after that leaving it to be what it will be. This is a complex balance for many people but something that makes me entirely comfortable.

It comes from a paraphrase of the Serenity Prayer (used by alcoholics and other 12-step programs which I know from my parents, however the Greek philosopher Epictetus said something similar circa 100 AD):

Give me the courage to change the things I am able; the serenity to accept those things I cannot change; and the wisdom to know the difference.

For me this whole process is much like a little kid waiting on Christmas to open my long wished for toys -- and since the nearly intolerable waiting cannot be avoided, research and discussions helps me to prepare.
 
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