TKR Meecies musings (questions, comments, maybe some venting here and there too)

thanks
I've got an appt with a podiatrist, going to see about cushioned insoles, ask about the best shoes to get, what size lift I should be ordering and also see if he can figure out why my right foot does not have full range of motion.
it will be awkward as the podiatrist works at the practice that does not want to do my knee surgery because of my insurance.

but it's my only local option.

PT added lunges and hip strengthening exercises - I do them 2-5 times a day.
My right outer hip muscles are now able to pull the right knee much straighter, so that collapsing inward is clearly at least partly due to muscle weakness.


I am gradually recovering from secondary hyperparathyroidism and osteomalacia that was overlooked til I got a new PCP a couple of years ago

a bit more info on this: (emphasis mine- those are all symptoms I had- these are resolving slowing since finally get the proper diagnosis and treatment) I still have slightly raised PTH and it's difficult to keep my vitD level where it needs to be.

What are the symptoms of osteomalacia?​


Often in the early stages there aren’t any symptoms.
However, as the condition progresses, osteomalacia can cause:
  • pain felt in the bones and joints
  • muscle pain and weakness, particularly following exercise
  • bones that break more easily, particularly those in the hips, lower back and feet
  • difficulty walking and a change in how you walk – possibly with a waddle
  • muscle cramps
  • pins and needles in the hands and feet because of low calcium levels.
Bone pain is felt most often in the legs, groin, upper thighs and knees. It’s sometimes felt in the feet when you stand, walk or run.
Sitting or lying down to rest often eases the pain. Sometimes a slight knock on a bone such as the shin will feel very painful. As the condition gets worse, pain can be felt all over the body and simple movements can hurt.
Muscles may become weak or feel stiff. The weakness tends to affect muscles in the thighs, shoulders and main part of the body – the trunk. This can make it difficult to climb stairs, get up from a chair without using the arms for support and, in very severe cases, get out of bed.
Partial fractures linked with osteomalacia are called Looser’s zones (see diagram below) which can be very painful and make walking difficult. Occasionally, these cracks can lead to full breaks, known as complete fractures.
Bones can break more easily from falls or simple knocks that wouldn’t normally cause a broken bone. This is often how people find out they have osteomalacia.

A simple blood test is all that’s needed to make the diagnosis – the levels of calcium, phosphorus and vitamin D are easily measured.

Blood tests for the following also help to make the diagnosis:

  • Alkaline phosphatase, which is a substance made by the cells that make bone. This is at a raised level in people who have osteomalacia.
  • Parathyroid hormone, produced by the parathyroid gland, is raised as part of the body’s reaction to low vitamin D levels.
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NOTE: my alkaline phosphatase was elevated for over 10 yrs, but no one checked my vit D, or my PTH til just 2 yrs ago. My alk phosphatase isoenzymes were high for bone specific- and no one bothered to investigate further. I do also have liver damage from medications I was given ages ago, so my liver iso's are a little high too. So far the bone faction has gone down but the liver enzymes are still above a bit above normal and probably always will be. I have Gilbert's syndrome also (high bilirubin)
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The process of getting my right leg straighter has made the obvious deformity of my femur much more obvious- that bone is turned sharply inward- but from the knee down, my leg turns out.
this causes malalignment that can not be fixed.

This is why I have an extremely high risk of failure of a TKR. Anyone who saw my leg in person would immediately see where the problem lies.
It's not a simple matter of a valgus knee.
They would need to give me a new right hip- that was actually discussed but because there is no arthritis in my right hip, it's never going to be done.

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this all aligns with what I've been told for years. I don't know why I've listened to these doctors who can't even diagnose me properly.
It's amazing to me that they have flat out refused to look at and touch my body- they are only basing their opinion that I "need a new knee" on xrays of my knees. As if my knees were not connected to anything.
smh



I am looking into saving up for a mobility scooter type thing for if/when my knee gets worse.
I might actually finally need to learn to drive! hahaha
or not
I hope that PT will give me enough strength and that doing something about my feet and the leg length difference will make it so I can keep walking short distances at least.
My dream of going for long walks may remain forever just a dream

it is what it is, right?
 
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Something I learned many many years ago as a working nurse was that most people with complex chronic conditions by necessity become THE experts on their needs and care.

Health care professionals who don't listen respectfully and with open minds end up endangering them.

You're a real example of this. So good you at least found the right PT!
 
Something I learned many many years ago as a working nurse was that most people with complex chronic conditions by necessity become THE experts on their needs and care.
this is sadly so true.
Health care professionals who don't listen respectfully and with open minds end up endangering them.
yep. I feel for those who don't have the resources to keep themselves safe.
So good you at least found the right PT!
me too!
he's a keeper!
just got back from seeing him, he suggested that I ask the podiatrist for an xray and evaluation of my right ankle.
He's got some things he can try that might help with the reduced ROM in that ankle but can't risk trying them unless he knows the ankle is structurally sound.

So I'll call the podiatrist and ask them about that.

He liked my idea of trying to walk more on the heels of my feet to see if that helps with the foot pain,
so I walked home from my appt. About 3 miles total as I stopped at 2 stores on the way, needed to get swim shorts for a trip to the lake Friday!
I was able to walk more on the heel and not rotate quite as much on to the big toe but the leg length difference is the issue there. Once I get a higher lift for my left shoe, that may improve.

He said it's a good thing I didn't keep trying to push myself while I was still recovering from osteomalacia, he said the risk of fractures is real. ( 2 OS's said it was "unlikely" and that having osteomalacia would not interfere with surgery on my knee and "couldn't possibly be the cause of the pain and issues I was having at the time")
er ok, whatever...:oyvey::skep:

I'm on a good solid path now and for the first time in many months am starting to feel confident and hopeful.

oh the walk wasn't too bad! I was a bit tired coming in to the homestretch but I didn't have breakfast and I only slept 3 hrs last night, so..........
I'll ice my knee and rest a bit before I get back to the chores and whatnot

I'm glad I joined this forum. I may or may not ever have ortho surgery, who knows? (If my hip needed it, I would do that in a heartbeat, no fear whatsoever about that) but either way I learned some useful things along the way and feel better prepared if that day comes
 
I'm glad you're here too!
 
just an update as sort of a journal so I can keep track of things (the memory is not so good these days hahaha)

That 3 mile walk didn't really set me back much, yes I did need a bit more sleep that night, but I also slept better (more deeply and longer) than I normally do

The next day I started re arranging my apt- so far the way it's set up is not working for me at all, so I basically had to move about 3/4 of everything I own - boxes on high shelves, furniture, etc
A lot of getting and down off a chair- which messed up my SI joint pretty bad. also lower back. I need a decent step stool, the chair seats are too high and/or I'm too short.

I'm out of shape in general from ~2 yrs of being unwell with low vit d and calcium and high PTH, don't have the stamina nor the strength I used to have.

so Wed night, I had a lot of pain that kept me up- the pain was in my lower legs, esp the right one, near the ankle, in my hips and mid to lower back.
I need to figure out how to strengthen my back and hips!

Thursday morning I ran down to the grocery store for some fruit to bring to the lake on Friday, that walk was ok on my knees and feet, it's never wonderful but it was bearable.


I did some more moving and cleaning Thursday. Slept well and was up at dawn getting ready for the trip to the State Park

Had a wonderful time there, got a little sunburned but it was worth it. Ate some food I don't usually eat- pro inflammatory foods (pot chips and a cheeseburger and one small chocolate nugget) I haven't had a cheeseburger in years and will NEVER have one again, I was so sick the next day!!) I am on a low fat diet for other reasons so this was a huge change for me (I brought fruit and a bean salad but was still hungry... and that grilled burger smelled so good) darn!
I was sick all day Sat and Sunday

Just now starting to feel a bit better.
It was great being in the water! I wish I could drive, I would be at a State Park every day of the week if I had my way! I love the lake, the trees, the trails, the whole atmosphere. So relaxing!


so here it is Monday. I was in a lot of pain last night, had a hard time sleeping - was up massaging my legs and trying to get the kinks out of my back and hips.
Today I am going to look up exercises for hips and back and also stretches to do.

I would probably benefit from some gentle yoga but it's expensive so I'll see what I can find on YT

I made the call to cancel the surgery but I just got a notice asking me to update my info as they have not cancelled it yet. I got voice mail, of course, no one ever answers that direct line to the doctors assistant.
I sent a message thru the portal, hopefully they will get that

There is a very real chance that I may end up with no ortho practice being willing to see me due to my insurance and reluctance to have this surgery.
I hope no bridges were burned- I was very careful not to express my frustration with the lack of communication on their part

but oh does it make me mad! I have many friends who have had this surgery (none of whom have my insurance) ... and they were given multiple opportunities to talk to the dr himself prior to surgery to get all of their questions and concerned addressed. One of them who has a lot of money, even complained that they were not being supportive enough of her and her social/emotional situation.... and they got her a nurse who would help her.
must be nice........

I will muddle along some how.
I do need to find ways to make my back stronger. I'm shocked by how weak I have become
 
would probably benefit from some gentle yoga but it's expensive so I'll see what I can find on YT
Have a look at my really excellent pilates and yoga teacher who has loads of great classes free on YouTube. Google Katja pilates and her channel will come up.
They range from gentle to harder and cover all areas.
She has a sidelying glute strengthening one with no squats for post injury recovery- which was my go-to exercise post my PKR
 
do need to find ways to make my back stronger. I'm shocked by how weak I have become
She also has a great lower back class
 
would probably benefit from some gentle yoga but it's expensive so I'll see what I can find on YT
Have a look at my really excellent pilates and yoga teacher who has loads of great classes free on YouTube. Google Katja pilates and her channel will come up.
They range from gentle to harder and cover all areas.
She has a sidelying glute strengthening one with no squats for post injury recovery- which was my go-to exercise post my PKR

oh my well those are far too advanced for me!
but thank you
I start with the ones made specifically for older people who have physical issues, the ones that give you warnings about moves that may be unsafe depending on different things you may have going on.

I need to find out where the muscle imbalances are, where I am too tight or too loose, and all of that, before I do anything else. It would be too easy to make things worse. There's soft tissue damage and all sorts of other things going on.

have requested a referral to the Pain clinic only because the physiatrist who also works at a rehab, is at the Pain clinic 4 days a week but at rehab only one-
this would hopefully get me in the door quicker but will still be many many months from now
apparently this is the only way to get someone to address your body as a whole

It really upsets me that no one suggested iT before.
Yet when my PCP would send me to an orthopedic dr, they would get upset because I wasn't a surgical case
and would send me back to the PCP

I don't understand why our medical system is so poorly set up to actually help anyone (except for acute care)

the absurdity of it just blows my mind
it is not like this in other places in the world
 
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A physiatrist, finally, YES!!!!!

I was thinking about our initial conversations (7 months ago!) and how bleak things were for you isolated in the walk up.

You've really been taking the initiative in so many ways since then to address issues and improve your well-being - I just want to say that aloud and recognize the progress.

It's seems likely that you'll continue to find various non-surgical approaches to address soft tissue problems and even better support the bones.

I'm sorry we're not able to just sit in a cafe and chat for a while (heck, I can't even do that with my far flung fellow staffers!), but count me on your team regardless!
 
thanks so much @mendogal
that means a lot to me.
that sounds like fun, a chat er, at a cafe maybe? as in, one with outdoor seating? hey if I'm going to imagine something, let's go all out, right?
:heehee:

I went to PT today, and walked home again same as last week.
It was hard only because it's almost 90 degrees with high humidity.... we are under a heat advisory with temps that could reach 101 when you factor in the humidity (in Canada they call that the Humidex- here they seem to just call it the "feel like" temperature. I like Canada's version better, it sounds more official and a little mysterious, hahahaha)
Last week the walk seemed pretty easy albeit with foot pain.

my right knee does swell any time I walk for more than a mile or so, but it doesn't really hurt, unless I try to bend it too far when it's swollen.
I ice it for up to 20 mins and it's fine again.

Still have the pain in my feet, I got some callus removers today, the outside of my big toe on the right foot is callused and very painful. I've never tried any thing like this before, I hope it works!


It seems like the only time my knees or legs hurt is when I add extra stress to them and the rest of my body, as I did when I moved furniture last week.

At PT we talked about my right ankle/fibula pain today. I got two new exercises, to help strengthen my ankles.
They are weak moving from side to side (very strong, though, front to back, go figure)

He liked the idea of seeing a physiatrist. I am actually in the physiatry dept at the Neuro spine place but they don't have a dr who can do whole body stuff anymore- The new dr only does spine related, so he'd have to refer you out for anything like the knees and feet.
So it makes more sense to go to the Pain clinic and get into the physiatry rehab program there.
Apparently they have all sorts of other options (based on what your insurance would cover, I'm sure) and I won't know what things would be covered for me but it would be great to find out.
I enjoy PT and rehab stuff- it suits me best because it's more under my control and I almost always see results quickly


The problem in the past is that I'd be sent to PT for my knees and that would set off my hypermobile SI joint
I'd go to PT for the SI joint and it, hmm, it took a long time to get that back into shape but I don't think that ever bothered my knees. My SI joint is very fragile. It can go "out" just from rolling over in bed. It's been so inflamed in the past I needed xray guided injections.
So we treat that joint with special care- that's why I have to be careful what exercise routines I try.
I pretty much know what things set off that joint- a lot of the stuff in yoga does, which kills me because I love yoga.
I stopped taking classes (at the sr center for $6 a class) because I had to sit out too much of it- there weren't even any modifications she could make, although she tried.


Did I mention yet that I decided to try some hemp non THC CBD gummies? :skep: :heehee:

I had a lot of reservations about doing this (there's no concrete evidence that the stuff works, at least not that I could find)

but my anxiety level was so high, I was afraid if it continued I'd have a heart attack (or more realistically, go into afib, which is never pleasant even if it only lasts 20mins)
so I asked a younger friend where to get lab tested gummies and went with the ones that also had some reishi mushrooms in them (and some kind of berry) Well, they taste absolutely disgusting, :loll:

afraid of having a bad reaction, I cut one into quarters and only took one qtr.
waited a while and took a second one, then later the rest.
turns out it takes up to 2 hrs or so to feel anything from the gummies, the tinctures work faster.

whatever "works" is supposed to mean.....

well, I was able to sleep longer and better that night, but that could have been a one off. If there was any difference, it was subtle

But then last week after moving furniture and being in so much pain that I couldn't sleep, I took a full gummy.

Not only did I fall asleep, when I woke up several hours later for my bathroom run, I had NO pain!
what...?

so... I think I'll get some of the tincture next time :heehee: I mean, when I run out.
It's very unlikely that I'll use them up quickly because they taste so vile and the stuff is expensive, with shipping from CO it was $45 and I think there's only 20 of them...? geez!

I am going to miss my PT- when I switch to the Pain center etc I'll have to go to their rehab.
I feel really cared for and understood by the guy I'm seeing.

He's funny, he knows how I am (I'll over do things trying to speed up the process and end up hurt, which puts me back) He was afraid I'd do too many of the new ankle exercises and get hurt so while he said it was possible to do a LOT of them (hundreds) without getting fatigued, I shouldn't do more than 30 per foot. (For my other exercises it's do them til you're muscle tire.)
it's such a small simple movement. I hope it helps my ankle pain!

when I was moving stuff, the next day I woke up and could not put any wt on my right leg- it felt like the fibula was broken, the pain was so extreme. This happened before (before I moved- it seemed to be related to using that little under the desk bike I got)

anyway, I had that pain again, and I grabbed my crutches and used those til it settled down. The cool thing was, I found out being in the crutches helped to straighten my back out.
I don't use my knees when I'm lifting heavy things so all the pressure is going on my lower back and I'll wake up and not be able to stand- I'll be stuck in a 90 degree bend, facing the floor.
but using the crutches helped straighten that out far faster than any thing I've ever done in the past
So I keep the crutches by the bed now just in case.

so yeh there seems to be ways to manage things.
and that's what I'll do til I run out of ways that work!
 
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the foot doc that I saw a few weeks ago sent in a referral to the pain clinic!

I wonder how long it will take to get in there?
 
Should we start a pool....
Nahhhh...
I'm sure games of chance aren't allowed here!
Fingers crossed they contact you by end of day Monday with an appointment within two weeks.
Hey, a gal can dream!
 
I have a dream...........!!
:heehee:

it's ok, I do have a lot of other things I am trying on my own so it's not like I'm waiting for them to come up with the miracle cure or anything like that, :snork:

a little update on my CBD trial

I had some lower leg pain last night and was just out of sorts, a bit anxious too for no discernable reason, no clue what that's all about

the lower leg pain could be from the new ankle exercises so maybe I need to start out slower with those...

but anyway I decided to try a gummy.
it made NO difference last night.

*shrug*
 
Do you know the name of the Pain Clinic you were referred to? If you don't hear from them after several days, I'd call them up and make sure they even received the referral. Just a thought.
 
I was just examining my pelvic xrays- and I think I found the cause of my in turned femur!!

it's so obvious I don't know why I didn't see it before

the ischium was fractured, top (pubic bone) and bottom (what they call the sitz/sitz?) bone in yoga.

the way it healed displaces the hip socket- it is now at a slightly different angle than it should be - or was before, at least LOL


Now I fully understand why they told me 50 yrs ago that this could never be fixed- there is no way anyone is going to re-fracture my pelvic bones to try to re align that socket- it's far too risky. I was lucky, I had relatively minor internal bleeding in the pelvis after the accident (mostly lacerations of my bladder) but with all the "plumbing" and major nerves and arteries in that area, there is just no way to go in there and change the angle of my hip socket
There's no way.

they are not going to be a new hip in there since I don't have any arthritis in that hip and even if I did, I'm not sure what if anything they can do to the prosthesis that would make it work with the deformed angle of the socket itself.

in other news, lol

I got some OTC insoles off amazon and am trying them out as it seems that my right foot is losing it's arch.. got the insoles in my shoes now and my feet did feel better almost instantly
so we'll see how they hold up over time

I got some callus remover pads too and am using those on the painful callus on the side of my great toe right foot and on the callus on the outer edge of the left foot


I feel a little bit like a detective, trying things, looking into things and trying to sort out what works and what doesn't
 
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o you know the name of the Pain Clinic you were referred to? If you don't hear from them after several days, I'd call them up and make sure they even received the referral. Just a thought.
yes I've already spoken to them! they were the ones who suggested that I ask for a referral to the pain clinic vs the rehab, even though it's the rehab I'm mostly interested in, because the dr is at the pain clinic 4 days a week but only at rehab 1 day

I might call today actually....since they knew that I was eager to get on the schedule!
 
Fascinating about the pelvis x-ray and seeing the socket deformity!

Yay for arch supports! Even after both knees replaced, my structure is improved with them.
 
I borrowed a rusty old manual wheelchair from another resident and have been trying it out.

hoo wee you don't want to go down even the slightest 'hill' if you don't have good breaks!! hahaha

It's not at all like using a hospital grade wheelchair, that's for sure. in fact it's so difficult to use I don't know if I want to risk it

I am wheeling around the complex though because it turns out to be great exercise for my flabby arms- much more interesting than lifting weights

I'll hopefully be doing BoneBuilders classes in the Fall, I'm on the wait list for that class so that should help


getting back in shape is VERY slow going- I take one step forward and 2 steps back it seems because it is so easy to injure something or push too hard and not realize it til the next day

this part is discouraging

I want to be 30 again!!! :groan:
 
hoo wee you don't want to go down even the slightest 'hill' if you don't have good breaks!! hahaha
My very elderly aunt was visiting me a few years ago. She uses a walker that has a seat. We took a short walk around the immediate area by my house and when we got back, we decided to sit outside for a while. I watched as she situated her walker up my sloped driveway, and sat on it. Assuming she knew what she was doing (she has lived alone quite well most of her life) I went in the house “for a minute.” Then I hear voices outside and she’s up close to my garage and my neighbor is with her, and I thought oh that’s nice. I go outside a couple of minutes later to find out she lost control of her walker, while sitting on it, and was rolling towards the street. (it’s not a busy street, but still..!) My neighbor saw her and ran over to help! Since all was well, we had a good laugh! My neighbor and I are still talking about it. We settled much closer to the house on level ground and had a nice outside visit.
 

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