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new knees as of today!
Doc is giving me one more month to get more flexing in my left knee, then I have to decide whether I will want to do the manipulation. The longer you wait the more risk there is to breaking the femur. He said the best predictor of how much ROM you have after replacement is how much you had before. He said, "they do about 3 manipulations per year, and he has never broken a femur yet" then laughingly said," but there is a first time for everything!" ( I didn't think that was funny!) I wasn't having very good luck today, so I opted not to decide right now! The trip to Indy is a 3 hr trip.....about 30 mins away from our destination, we got tied up on the interstate with about a thousand or more other vehicles! There had been a wreck on I 70 and according to the trucker traffic on our C.B. there were two semis and a car involved and there was a fatality. The whole east bound lane was completely closed. Longer story short, I finally arrived after an adventurous trip an hour and a half late! They were very understanding, I had been informing them of our progress through out. Thus the feeling of being unlucky today! But I did get to take pics of my xrays. Pretty wild, huh?
 
Old Knees, OUCH.
New Knees, NICE
 
Isn't it amazing how different they are! It puts a picture on why I needed to do the bilateral TKR, don't cha think?
 
My right knee was slid over like yours. The femur had worn a grove down in the tibia. He said the bone was bleeding or weeping..
No matter how bad I feel on occasion now, it doesn't compare with the pre tkr.
 
Wow, what a transformation, We are so lucky we live in these times. My OS is also giving me at least another month before a manipulation. I am going to try really hard to get there. He said he will be happy for me to get 110 ROM. If the swelling and stiffness would go I could do so much better.
 
I think we are going to have the swelling and stiffness for a while..As much as you've jumped forward recently, I bet in one month you can really improve. I hate to say it, but you know you just have to hurt yourself to improve..
 
My right knee was slid over like yours. The femur had worn a grove down in the tibia. He said the bone was bleeding or weeping..
No matter how bad I feel on occasion now, it doesn't compare with the pre tkr.

Oh, Doug! I really winced when I read your description of your old knees! You poor guy!!! So happy you are a new man now! ....Jamie
 
Blondie, it is so interesting to see your xrays. I wish my doc could send me mine!!! I certainly wasn't as bad as you to start with, but my "after" photo looked about the same for my right knee. It is amazing, isn't it. And in your case, your legs straightened right up! How wonderful!!! I'm so excited for you. Having the visual proof of how much better you feel must be a real boost for the spirit. Can't wait until I get to your point in recovery!! You've done so well!
 
I feel a mini lecture coming on ....

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Do you notice in the right knee where the femur and tibia are pressed together, there is a white flare in the xray? That is indicative of hardening and reduced blood supply which is the feature of arthritis. The medical term is necrosis, literally meaning 'dead tissue'.

Once the bone gets into this condition, it starts to wear away like that old concrete step that has a dip in it caused by thousands of feet over the years. And the debris that gets broken off is the gritty stuff that keeps getting in the wrong place and can make one step agony and then next not so bad as it circulates around in the joint fluid. That's what happened to me recently.
 
The doc didn't give me any pics and I didn't think to take my own, but my x-rays were worse than those. On the one they replaced there was no gap showing on the inside, the bones had been rubbing together so long bone spurs had developed to a point they obscured the joint. When I saw the x-rays, I said now I know why my knee felt like a sack of rocks on the outside.
 
Josephine, your explanation is the BEST I have ever heard to understand what goes on in your knees when arthritis starts!!

In my case, I had some torn cartilage about a year ago and had arthroscopic surgery to, as that doctor said, "clean things up." Like you, I had knee pain that would come and go, but it wasn't nearly as severe as what you described. After that surgery, I never got to where I could walk again without a limp. I had tremendous swelling for months and at one point got to where I could barely stand or put any pressure on that right leg when standing or walking. I ended up back at the doctor who had another MRI done. This was several months after the arthroscopic surgery. During those months, I had talked to his nurse on the phone and he had prescribed Celebrex and some physical therapy. It did improve the situation enough that I could walk without crutches, but my knee still hurt, I limped slightly, and things were not right. This MRI several months after surgery floored both the doctor and me because it showed I had suddenly lost ALL of the cartilage I had on the inside of my knee and the radiologist indicated the start of osteo necrosis - dead bone. All this doctor could tell me was that he didn't know why it happened, parts of the bone had died, and it would get worse and I would eventually need a TKR in 1-5 years depending on when I thought the pain was bad enough. I went home in shock and disbelief that such a thing could happen to me with a "simple" surgery like arthroscopic clean-up of a joint. I got on the internet and what I read about osteo necrosis scared me even more!! Cases were described there (especially at at web site for osteo necrosis support) that made me think it was possible that my bones could continue to die for no reason at all. And, not only might my knee be impacted but also hips, shoulder, and possibly ankles. By this time I was scared to death and thought I would be crippled for the rest of my life!!!

It was so horrible. I made an appointment with that doctor again to tell him what I had learned and basically to give him a "tune-up" for really poor bedside manner. He should have been able to tell me things like YOU did that would reassure me, not scare the poop out of me!! I told him he left me very scared. He was VERY apologetic and we parted on friendly terms with me thinking that he was just not a specialist in older joints....more of a young kids sports doctor...and not the right one for me.

I went to another doctor I knew of in town who was good and was told basically the same thing, but that it was possible I could have minimal surgery to implant a device called Ortho-Glide that would only cover part of the joint and that it might delay a full replacement. I was still not comfortable with that diagnosis and wanted yet another opinion before I did anything. In the meantime, the pain dissapated quite a lot by September, but I was still left with a limp and I could not go for very long at anything without pain starting. I was a mess at 59 years old!!

I then went to a practice recommended by a nurse friend of mine (see how IMPORTANT nurses are to us!!) and finally found the right place. Each doctor there was so specialized that they only dealt with part of the degenerative process. The first doctor I saw did everything UP TO a TKR. He told me because of the start of the bone loss, that I would continue to have problems with arthritis, but only in that knee. The other one looked fine. He also could not explain exactly why I experienced the sudden loss of the cartilage, but it could be related to the extended periods of swelling after that first surgery which resulted in poor blood circulation to the area where the bone died. He said the OrthoGlide was NOT an option for me because I had bone loss on the femur which would not be touched with the insertion of that device. It would be a partial or TKR or nothing. We did try some Supartz injections, which actually made it a little better for a while. Mostly that was for my benefit to calm down, make it through the holidays, and get my mind in place for a PKR or TKR. At that point, he turned me over to a different doctor in the practice who ONLY does the knee replacements. As you so often recommend, he does many, many of them each year. This last doctor viewed my latest xrays and carefully went over the films with me...something neither of the first two doctors did (they just talked from the radiologist's written report). He showed me the actual necrosis (very small dot) and where a bone spur was starting to develop on the outside of the joint. At my first meeting with this doctor in January, I put myself in his hands as to whether I would need a PKR or TKR once he got inside and could see how things looked. The surgery was scheduled for February 29th and the rest is history.

He said once he got in there it was VERY obvious that I needed the full replacement because there was a LOT of arthritis behind the kneecap that did not show on either the xrays or MIRs. From the first day when I stood on my new joint, I knew it was finally "right" again....even if it did hurt, it was a "good" kind of pain that you just knew would eventually work itself out. This is why I am so strong about finding the right doctor. The first two minimized what I was going through and even allowed me to get to the point of thinking I might never walk again. That was NEVER the case and, although they probably knew that, it didn't come across to me! I am so happy I found the right people to work with - my GOOD surgeon and you on this web site!!!

I apologize for the length of this post, but I felt I had to give you some details on my case so you could appreciate the depth of my heartfelt thanks for your explanation above. Had I seen that or heard it put that way after my first "simple" surgery, I would not have spent months worrying about how I would get through the rest of my life in a wheelchair. God bless you for being here for everyone, Josephine!!! You are truly an angel in my eyes. Please never stop being there for people!!! .....Jamie
 
LOL doc didnt give me any pics either i just popped out my cell phone and snapped this pic LOL while it was still on the light ..............JIM
 
Gee....wish I had thought of that!!!
 
Dang, Jamie - I wish they had the repper or 'thankee' feature turned on in this forum. I'd have repped you greatly for that plaudit! Thank you!
 
No disrespect here, Josephine....but I'm not sure what you just said other than "thanks." I don't know what a "repper" or "thankee" "repping someone greatly" or "plaudit" is.....showing my ignorance, but please educate me. : O
 
I know "plaudit". That is a "way to go" kind of thing.
I am sure it was all good!

And we all thought we knew how to speak English! LOL!
 
Yep, Beach....makes a person feel purty dumb!
 
No disrespect here, Josephine....but I'm not sure what you just said other than "thanks." I don't know what a "repper" or "thankee" "repping someone greatly" or "plaudit" is.....showing my ignorance, but please educate me. : O

Oh dear! Thought you all were seasoned forum bods!

On some vBulletin sites (which this one is) there is a feature called reputation. This means you can click on a special icon on a person's post and give them some 'reputation points' as a means of approving a post they have made. These points build up and show others what a darned cool and admired bod you are!

This is a screen shot of my post header in CF. On the right at the top are the 'jewels' representing the repper and each star is 1 million reputation points. Further down, underneath, you can see the reputation total which is actually about middling. (ignore the read boxes, this was a screen shot for training purposes)

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Thankyou's are much the same except you get a little row of names along the bottom of your post from people who have 'thanked' you for your helpful or inspiring post!

All just good fun!
 
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