@JusticeRider - not sure about the Voltaren. It feels nice and warm but maybe there's some stomach trouble? Hard to know, since I often have that. I have used arnica before but as pills, used to take 4, 4 times a day. I will definitely give it a go. Thanks for the tip on Traumeel, I never heard of it! I see it's on Amazon, so that's good, I wouldn't need a script. I appreciate your following up on me, how are you doing? I think one of the problems we encounter with this long recovery time is dealing with depression--I do, anyway. When oh when oh when will I feel better?