TKR TKR - November 8th

Mr. Bill

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I had a left total knee replacement on November 8th. It was at an ambulatory surgical center. I arrived at 5:45. I was in surgery by 7:00 AM and home at 2:00 PM.

A little history of my knee. I tore my ACL and had reconstructive surgery in 1987. It held up all these years but with a torn MCL on top of that was never addressed and removal of cartilage throughout the years, I finally had to make a decision to have a TKR done because of the debilitating arthritis, bone spurs and scar tissue.

I went to a few different doctors who all agreed I need surgery but cautioned me to wait due to my age and the probability I may need to replace it again in 15 years. I also have a job that would be very difficult to take a long time off of, so I scheduled it on a Friday of a holiday weekend and as of November 25th I am at back at work (desk job).

I left the surgical center with a CPM, Ice Machine and Thrombosis Cuffs and some paperwork. I previously picked up my medication and most notable was oxycodone. I was able to walk out with a walker. Very hard getting into the car and immediately went to bed. My thigh was very swollen as well as knee and calves. I stuck to the medication regiment and CPM and Cuffs and iced as much as I could. I removed the bandaging and waited for the impatient P/T to call.

I decided to book an outpatient P/T and started 3 days after surgery. I will admit it was VERY tough, but I felt good when I left. I had no control of the left leg at this point. I couldn't lift it and minimal bending. I returned 2 days later and was off the walker and had a cane. The stim seemed to help get my usage back pretty quickly.

I only took the oxycodone at night, and I was not able to get comfortable and sleep at all. As of today, I still struggle with sleep. I am off the oxycodone because of work and the constipation has ended. My worst night was about the 6th night when I think the nerve blockers from surgery wore off. I had horrible shooting pains. That has not happened again.

I went to the doctor 12 days after surgery. The incision was healing great. They put steri-strips on and I am at 110 degrees flexion. He told me I had numerous bone spurs on the back of the knee that were hard to get to, so I may be a little swollen for a longer period of time but eliminating them will make a world of difference. I will see him again in January for a follow up.

As of today, I have no cane. I walk about a mile a day on and off. I only take one pill for swelling and aspirin plus Tylenol for pain (which doesn't do much). The pain is tolerable but uncomfortable. Now that I am off the oxycodone, I have been taking a natural melatonin to help with sleep, but I am very uncomfortable more or less rather than in paid. I found if I raise my leg super high on pillows and wrap it the pain is minimal, but I have a tendency to want to sleep on my side. Not much of a back sleeper.

I do P/T in person twice a week and have an app from the P/T tech where it has home exercises similar to what I do at P/T. So basically, doing P/T everyday with CPM and icing. The only controversial thing I do is I feel great after a warm bath. I know heat is a no-no but the rest of my body is so sore, and a warm bath loosens the muscles, and I feel great afterward. My incision is fine no swelling or signs of infection.

Finishing up my week 3 now and my doctor said week 4 is the biggest turning point and I will notice a huge difference. I am scheduled to continue outpatient P/T until mid-December where they will evaluate my progress. I was told I made a good decision to start outpatient P/T right away. Not saying it's for everyone but it benefitted me so far.

I will update my progress in a few weeks.
 
Hello Bill, It's nice to meet you.
Thanks for a little background and update on your progress so far. You seem to be doing fairly well.
I will leave our Recovery Guidelines with best wishes and a caution to step away from anything that is causing you pain, or increasing any pain. Keep in mind that each recovery is unique. While the BoneSmart philosophy successfully works for many, there will be exceptions. Between the recommendations found here, your surgeon's recovery protocol and any physical therapy you may engage in, the key is to find what works best for you.
Best wishes as you continue the journey!


KNEE RECOVERY GUIDELINES -

1. Don’t worry: Your body will heal all by itself. Relax, let it, don't try and hurry it, don’t worry about any symptoms now, they are almost certainly temporary.

If you want to use something to assist with healing and scar management, BoneSmart recommends hypochlorous solution. Members in the US can purchase ACTIVE Antimicrobial Hydrogel through BoneSmart at a discount. Similar products should be available in the UK and other countries.

2. Control discomfort:
rest
elevate
ice
take your pain meds by prescription schedule (not when pain starts!)
don't overwork.
3. Do what you want to do BUT
a. If it hurts, don't do it and don't allow anyone - especially a physical therapist - to do it to you
b. If your leg swells more or gets stiffer in the 24 hours after doing it, don't do it again.
4. PT or exercise can be useful BUT take note of these
the BoneSmart view on exercise
BoneSmart philosophy for sensible post op therapy
5. At week 4 and after you should follow this
Activity progression for TKRs
The Recovery articles:
The importance of managing pain after a TKR and the pain chart
Swollen and stiff knee: what causes it?
Energy drain for TKRs
Elevation is the key
Ice to control pain and swelling
Heel slides and how to do them properly
Chart representation of TKR recovery
Healing: how long does it take?

Post op blues is a reality - be prepared for it
Sleep deprivation is pretty much inevitable - but what causes it?

Nutrition is of paramount importance. Available here are dietary tips, nutrition basics and additional food supplements. These articles are both general advice on food and specific guidelines aimed at people both pre- and post-surgery.

There are also some cautionary articles here
Myth busting: no pain, no gain
Myth busting: the "window of opportunity" in TKR
Myth busting: on getting addicted to pain meds

We try to keep the forum a positive and safe place for our members to talk about their questions or concerns and to report successes with their joint replacement surgery. While members may create as many threads as they like in a majority of BoneSmart's forums, we ask that each member have only one recovery thread. This policy makes it easier to go back and review history before providing advice.
 
Hi Everyone.

I will be 4 weeks post-op in 2 days. Doing P/T everyday. Two times a week at the P/T facility and 5 days a week at home. Improving daily and tech happy with progress and said I am 3 to 4 weeks ahead of typical patient. However, I am paying the price in pain at night. Still haven't slept more than 2 hrs a night.

I am walking without assistance of a cane and walking up and downstairs somewhat normally. I practice going up and down the stairs as part of my home therapy. Down is much harder.

Melatonin wasn't helping so since I was taking Tylenol for pain I switched to Tylenol PM at night and it has not helped with sleep. The only way I fall asleep is to put some lidocaine on the knee (not the incision) and wrap it and elevate it. The pain subsides long enough to fall asleep but once I move the pain comes back and the discomfort keeps me awake.

I am REALLY sore from the P/T. My quads and thighs and calves are sore from the exercises. I have a shooting pain in my ankle on occasion which I assume is from drilling my tibia for the prosthetic. It is a dull pain.

I am not complaining about P/T at all just can't wait until its done because I feel its too aggressive but its paying off. I had no control of my leg after surgery and now I can press 100 lbs and curl 80. So it is beneficial.
 
@Mr. Bill I ask you to please look at the healing chart.
At four weeks post op your muscles haven't healed.
Your tendons and ligaments won't heal until at least 12 weeks post op.
We have had members develop acute tendonitis, even tendon rupture, from aggressive PTs and starting strength training too early.
Your knee has only two ways to indicate distress: swelling and/or pain. Please listen to it.
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I want to second what mendogal says above, @Mr. Bill. If you are in pain every night, that's a clear sign that you are overdoing the exercise. While submitting to aggressive PT might make your therapist happy, it's not good for your long-term recovery.

Please back off. You don't need to be exercising 7 days a week. Every other day is plenty -- and even then, don't do so much that you end up in pain.

Permanent improvement in range of motion comes with TIME -- not with over-aggressive PT.
 
I had no control of my leg after surgery and now I can press 100 lbs and curl 80. So it is beneficial.

This may seem beneficial at the moment, but this can catch up with you and cause some damage doing these weights so early in recovery. Mendogal explains why:
At four weeks post op your muscles haven't healed.
Your tendons and ligaments won't heal until at least 12 weeks post op.
We have had members develop acute tendonitis, even tendon rupture, from aggressive PTs and starting strength training too early.
Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. This recovery does take an average of a year, so take your time with your rehab. Setbacks can take a really long time to recovery from, if and when they happen. For some reason, too many PTs don’t understand this healing process and give us things to do before we are healed enough to do them.
I am REALLY sore from the P/T.
This pain can actually slow your healing.
 
Hi Mr Bill, thanks for stopping by.
I am REALLY sore from the P/T. My quads and thighs and calves are sore from the exercises.
I am not complaining about P/T at all just can't wait until its done because I feel its too aggressive but its paying off
It can be done now, if you want it to be. It definitely sounds too aggressive given the pain you described, but only you can change that. I believe it will change as soon as you dial it way back allowing your leg more time to heal without continually aggravating soft tissues. Consider giving yourself a couple days a week off the exercises and let the activities of daily living be your exercise for the day. I think you'll feel better if you do. :)
 
Happy One Month Anniversary!
I hope you had a nice weekend and I wish you an even better week ahead. :wave:
Stay in touch!
@Mr. Bill
 
Five weeks post-op today.

Sleep deprivation blues sent in so I called the doctor asking for a sleeping pill. He was reluctant due to dependency so he prescribed Tramadol for the pain. I tried it with some Tylenol PM and never fell asleep. I am not in pain, just can't get comfortable so I toss and turn and don't sleep.

I find after P/T are the worst nights. So I tend to skip home P/T the day after my visits to recover. If I was rested I know I would be so much more active but I'm exhausted when I get home from work and just try to rest. I am walking fine. Doing steps pain free.

Going away for the holidays and I'm worried that I won't sleep much. I still have some tightness and a little swelling but the clicking is aggravating. I hope that improves. Day by day so far.
 
"but the clicking is aggravating" same with mine. It's mostly going up stairs and some days more apparent than others. I may be getting less concerned (#trying my best) but I'll be happy when I forget all about it.
 
Hi Mr Bill,
Try lots of bed pillows in your bed at night. It can be a comfort to lay an arm or leg on one when you're feeling restless and trying to get comfy. Firm pillows are best for support and soft ones for cushioning. Body Pillows, the lengthier pillows are great for full body support also for side sleeping and will support the entire length of your op leg.

If you're having the worst time trying to sleep on nights after PT, you're likely doing too much during the day. You shouldn't feel like you have to "recover" from PT sessions. Since you're already back to work at only five weeks post op and you're walking and navigating steps well, consider stepping away from PT and allow the activities of daily living to be your PT. Restorative rest is important part of the healing process so you don't want to be overdoing it and losing sleep because of it.

You may want to read up on Magnesium for sleep and see what you think.
Magnesium supports the following:
Bone health
Healthy blood sugar
Cardiovascular health
Muscle relaxation and nerves
Promotes healthy sleep (falling asleep and staying asleep)

An article on Magnesium -
https://bonesmart.org/forum/threads/magnesium-is-a-star.20301/

For tightness and swelling - Ice and Elevate, it will help. Ice for at least 45 minutes each time you ice always with a barrier between bare skin and the ice source.

Clicking -
Some members complain about clicking, clunking and popping sounds. More often than not, noises aren’t indication of a problem. It takes time for the soft tissue surrounding the implant to heal and settle in with the implant and begin working smoothly. Over time it will most likely stop.

Safe travels for the holidays. I hope you have a wonderful Christmas and a great 2025! :xmas-wave-smiley-emoticon:
@Mr. Bill
 
Six Weeks Post-op tomorrow. Worst week yet sleeping and I'm not in excruciating pain. Its just a dull, aching, uncomfortable, tolerable pain. I prop up my leg. Take my tramadol, ice and sometimes wrap it. Feels great. Fall asleep and once I twitch or move its game over. I'm awake for the rest of the night. It's like I have one shot to fall asleep. Nyquil, Tylenol PM, Sleepy Time Tea, Melatonin have little affect. Makes me drowsy but wears off quick. Trying Benadryl tonight. I'm so desperate I'm willing to watch one of those Hallmark movies with my wife that put me to sleep in the first 10 minutes!

P/T as usual. Getting pretty intense. Very sore afterwards but its muscle soreness. Clicking is getting better. Walking without a limp but very cautious as sometimes it locks and buckles. Heading out tomorrow for the Holidays.

Everyone be safe!
 
/T as usual. Getting pretty intense. Very sore afterwards but its muscle soreness
I do wonder if you are doing too much in PT if it is making you sore.
I used pilates for my rehab and was never pushed to pain. I have great function now ( 150 degrees flexion). I didn't do any weights or bands until about 5 months but my strength now is as good as my good leg and I regularly walk 10,000 steps/ day
 
I'm willing to watch one of those Hallmark movies with my wife that put me to sleep in the first 10 minutes!
:rotfl:
Well...you haven't lost your sense of humor. Love it!
P/T as usual
I wonder if this is the problem, just as EalingGran mentioned above? Too much PT, or is the PT too aggressive for this early on? If you notice more pain on the nights after PT, it's a good guess that's the cause. If you're away for the holidays for several days, with no PT, wondering if you'll notice a difference in pain and sleep?
May be a good little experiment for you.

Also, if you haven't tried Magnesium, you may want to consider it.
Magnesium supports the following:
Bone health
Healthy blood sugar
Cardiovascular health
Muscle relaxation and nerves
Promotes healthy sleep (falling asleep and staying asleep)


An article on Magnesium -
https://bonesmart.org/forum/threads/magnesium-is-a-star.20301/

Safe travels and enjoy the holidays with all those you hold dear!

:merry-xmas-smiley-emoticon:
 
Happy New Year!

Hit my 2 month mark update. Everything is going well and if there is one piece advice I can give everyone with TKR is BE PATIENT. I improve slightly everyday. It's not going to improve overnight and it's not going to improve without some effort on your part.

I was able to vacation for 2 weeks in Disney and a Cruise over the holidays. I thought it was going to be a total wash but I was walking 12 miles a day with minimal effort. I was limited to some rides and there was no sprinting to the next reservation but all in all I did well.

I did my P/T in my hotel room and cabin. Brought a strap and some bands and hit the bike in the exercise room. Went to P/T on Monday and my range is up to 130 degrees. They did extend my P/T for another 6 weeks so hopefully will be done in March.

As far as sleep goes, I struggled with all types of sleeping aids and supplements and found one trick worked. I stopped all non-prescribed medication. No longer taking aceitmoniphon, melatonin, nyquil, etc. Just my meloxicam and aspirin and been sleeping like a baby.

I have my second post-op visit in 2 weeks. Besides some residual pain due to stretching of my hamstring to straighten my leg, knee pain is minimal and tolerable. I do have some swelling but much less than post-op. That is why my motion is getting better.

Be patient in the long run it will be beneficial.
 
/T as usual. Getting pretty intense. Very sore afterwards but its muscle soreness
I do wonder if you are doing too much in PT if it is making you sore.
I used pilates for my rehab and was never pushed to pain. I have great function now ( 150 degrees flexion). I didn't do any weights or bands until about 5 months but my strength now is as good as my good leg and I regularly walk 10,000 steps/ day
Hello, I am 7 weeks out and would like to start Pilates. Do you feel it is safe at this stage?
 
Hello, I am 7 weeks out and would like to start Pilates. Do you feel it is safe at this stage?
I went back to pilates at about 3-4 weeks but under the individual guidance of my regular pilates teacher, who knows and understands me.
At 7 weeks a lot depends on your previous fitness and experience. I would hesitate to suggest starting something entirely new and definitely not group classes- where you may feel pressure to keep up.
Pilates is a great way to rehab after knee replacement but try to find a good teacher.
Maybe a bit later have a look at my teacher's free classes on YouTube ( Google Katja pilates).
 
Happy New Year and Happy Two Month Anniversary, Mr Bill!
Good to read you enjoyed a cruise and vacay in Disney. You seem to be doing exceptionally well.
Thanks for stopping by to share an update. Have a lovely weekend! :SUNsmile:
@Mr Bill
 

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