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Jamie, do you any have kids?

No, not of my own. When my husband and I married, his two were 19 and 18 so I've always had "adult" kids. I have three grandkids - 20, 12 and 10. So I never had the trials and challenges of child rearing. We decided not to have any together when we got married. My husband had a lot of trouble with both his kids when they were growing up and I just don't think he could stand to go through it again. It bugged my parents for a long time that they couldn't be grandparents (I'm an only child), but they got over it and my husband's kids had grown up enough by that time that they were very nice to my parents. Do I sound like someone with no kids????
 
I just didn't remeber you referencing any. From what I understand grandkids are all the fun of kids without the work and agrivation, so you have the fun part with 20, 12 & 10. Do you and your husband get sto spend alot of time with them? That is good his kids eventually were able to be kind to your folks. I bet that meant alot to them and probably you and your husband as well.
 
We have two grandsons and the best part is we get to play with them and have fun and then send them home to Mom and Dad when we want to. lol I can tell you though that there is a reason people have children when they are young; chasing after two little boys is not an old man's game.
 
oh gat...i bet you're a great "granpappy"!!! I'm serious. Do you call them shugah and dollin?! They'll remember that forEVER.
 
I save those for you. I try to give them the things my favorite uncle gave me. You know, teach them 'nursery rhymes' with a little twist and stuff like that. My wife, God bless her and my daughter try to limit my one on one time with the boys for some reason. They claim to receive calls from the school after the boys have a weekend with 'G-daddy'. I have no idea what they're talkin bout.
 
I just didn't remeber you referencing any. From what I understand grandkids are all the fun of kids without the work and agrivation, so you have the fun part with 20, 12 & 10. Do you and your husband get sto spend alot of time with them? That is good his kids eventually were able to be kind to your folks. I bet that meant alot to them and probably you and your husband as well.

Yeah....I tell you it's a whole set of DIFFERENT problems when you are dealing with adult step children. Just as challenging (or maybe even more) than younger ones. It wasn't until they finally reached their 30's that things leveled out and they figured out their Dad and their Mom were much better off in their second marriages. We are all really close now and our son and daughter rent a house from us that is only about 5 minutes away. We don't see the 12 and 10 year old all that much, but try to do special things with each one alone a couple of times a year. The oldest grandson is bi-polar schitzophrenic (don't know if I spelled that right) with MAJOR mental problems. It's a whole 'nother story - a very long one. Thankfully he no longer lives anywhere near us. Unfortunately we have had to basically divorce ourselves from him. He's dangerous and toxic to our daughter and the other two kids. It's very, very sad. He needs to be in a very structured environment but there is no longer anything like that available because all the "touchy feelies nuts" out there decided years ago that any type of mental institution was "torture." Ha!! Torture is watching a young person self destruct and knowing there are NO resources available for him until he either kills himself or someone else. He's very smart and has easily learned how to manipulate the "system" to quickly get released whenever he becomes really unstable and gets hospitalized. I'm sure you can read into this how much it bothers me....it does! But over the years we have tried everything to help and it just can't be done. So we all just wait and pray that somehow he gets better and doesn't hurt anyone else along the way.
 
Jamie,
Sorry to hear of your problem with the mental facilities.
I've had a number of dealings with them over the years.
The plain fact is some need to be institutionalized for life period.
Tallahassee is just east of Chattahoochee. That is the site for the State Mental Institution. Over the years, we have had dealings with folks who were "just released".
Just put on the streets to deal with situations they can't deal with. Invariably they get with some street folks who give them alcohol and the police end up in the equation.
 
Doug, this is EXACTLY what is going on with our grandson. He is obviously not old enough to drink, but can easily get alcohol from his co-shelter mates. They all go to the labor site and do a day job, get paid, come back to the shelter for free food then go drink up their day's earnings. Our grandson goes with them and is served or they give him drinks. If he is on his meds (which help SOME with his problems), the mix is devastating. More than likely, he has sold the meds the state gives him to get money though and is not on them, gets drunk easily and then ends up in a fight, stabbed and in the hospital. The most he ever stays in a controlled environment is 3 days. It's beyond stupid and no amount of talking his mom or I have ever done makes any difference. About 6 months ago, I had one of the state mental dorks actually tell me that confinement is cruel and the state would not do it until he killed someone. Now THAT'S just a wonderful response, huh! Oh, the other gem of wisdom he passed to me was that their current program works for 95% of the mental patients out there. So I told him it sounded like they were willing to sacrifice the other 5% to say they had a 95% success rate??? Funny thing, he had no real answer. It is at least a little comforting to hear you say that you witnessed the same situation in Florida....it sounds like you completely understand. Thanks for that!
 
Yep. That is the scenario. I hate to think of how many times I've had to deal with the end results.
For years, over the radio we called the incident a "Chattahoochee Graduate".
Another part of the problem is that they are out at night, and flashing lights and the night noise stimulates them. When an officer shows up with blue/red lights flashing, it pushes it to another level, and talking just doesn't do it. It's amazing how strong a skinny little guy can get.
 
Jamie, I'm sorry the grandkid thing is so (pardon the pun) insane for you and your husband. But you both seem to really enjoy each other's company at least.
 
Jamie, we've got some mental issues running around our family but nothing like this. I wish you and your family only the best handling everything. I know it's hard to deal with, especially for the younger kids. The three grandkids are siblings or cousins?
 
Is it a southern thing??
In my family whenever an illness, physical or mental, comes up and a bunch of the women are talking about it you will always hear, " There's none of that on this side of the family".
I've heard it all of my life.
 
You are right Doug. No one in MY extended family has mental issues....It's all on the husband's side! he, he, he
 
Yep. You've spent time down here amongst the moss.
 
I love to go into swamps in the early morning on a cloudy winter day. The moss and cypress knees, with a mist swirling over the brown water is beautiful.

Plus the cotton mouths are holed up. I hate that snake more than any other.
 
ugh.... I hate those snakes and remember all the warnings from my parents around water when we lived in Missouri...

When we moved to Oregon my dad promised me there were no snakes in Oregon.... I sure like to think he just meant no cottonmouth varieties 'cause there are lots of other kinds here. (either that or he was flat out lying to me!) Mostly harmless--- but we ran into a copperhead rattler a few times here in Oregon.
 
And what about the gators? Are you searching for them too? We used to live next to a state forest in FL and my husband always went out searching for them. He knew right where they liked to hang out. A true southerner, Crazy! We used to live in Germany. Our neighbors would say to me, Karen...Joseph, he is "verrückt' no? That's crazy in German.
 
Oh, I forgot to say, we lived in Southern Germany so they understood. It's the same there. The northerners think the southerners ain't quite right.
 
I got into so much trouble one time when my son was about 4yrs old.
I took him to the coast to spend the weekend at a friends beach house. It is a very old house in a very dense scrub oak, palmetto treed area.
We went looking for Indian artifacts, and while doing so ,I saw a copperhead. They aren't common in this area so I caught it and showed it to Scotty so he would learn the elliptical eyes, triangular head and coloring as a dangerous snake. To get rid of the curiosity, I let him touch the snake.
The weekend went well.
When we got home, his mother goes what did you have for supper last night? Tater chips and spam...I got a look.
Then he turned loose,"Daddy let me pet a copperhead, I peed of of the dock, and I cut my hand while I was making a bear spear". Then I got THE look. Then the room turned to ice...I did live though.
 
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