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Hi Mustski,
The sharp, electric shock type of pain you describe you are experiencing is likely because small sensory nerve fibers are cut with the incision, which can cause the numbness we experience. While healing you may experience sensations of tingling, pins and needles, itching, burning and even the feeling of a minor electrical shock. These are usually good signs that the nerves are spontaneously firing through the regeneration process. So while it may feel uncomfortable it is most often a good sign your body is healing as it should.

One month since your MUA…time is moving quickly. I hope you have a nice weekend! :)
@Mustski
 
I am experiencing a sharp electric shock type of pain, that comes and goes
I’m guessing what you’ve described is what we call “zingers.” They are quick pains that do come and go and are your nerves healing, so technically it’s a good thing!
Woo hoo! I was hoping it was potentially a sign of my nerves healing. Totally makes sense as the swelling reduces.
 
Woo hoo... zingers have stopped. After a few minutes of warm-up, I can ride the (upright) stationary bike without the little hitch at the top.

Each day (when I roll out of bed), it feels like I'm starting over, but I can tell that's not the case because the flexion seems to come faster each day - at least up the 100-degree mark. I did hit 120 flex and 1 extension the other day in PT so, I know it's there just waiting for the swelling to go down.

Watching to make sure what I am doing isn't causing the knee to swell (more than it already is). Still icing it any time I sit down and elevating above my heart several times a day. I am starting to focus on building back my quad strength. Any good guidance on improving VMO activation? That baby doesn't want to come back to the party.

Thanks for your support - I would have been running (HAH) down the wrong path to recovery if not for this forum.
 
Wow, I'd say you are doing very well! Your quad strength will improve as you continue to heal and use your knee more. There's no rush, it comes back naturally. So many of us never did any exercises and came back just fine.
 
For those of us with imbalanced quad activation who are planning on doing light strengthening as tolerated... Yes, as I have been taught years ago by PT and reinforced by more recent body workers and PTs:

To activate the VMO (that's the medial section of the quadriceps, to the inner side of the kneecap): when you do straight leg raises, short arc quads, or long arc quads, angle your foot to point toes OUTWARD (away from the VMO). I also lightly touch with my fingers *any* muscle I want to activate, throughout the exercise; it really helps.

Conversely for activating the lateral quads, the foot is angled to point toes inward. I have at times had imbalances and currently am markedly weaker medially on the left leg and laterally on the right!
 
OK, amazingly smart, and supportive people, three and a half months post TKR and two months post-MUA, and I am at 130 flex and 0 extension! It was hard not to "push," but letting the knee heal and the swelling go down was the trick. Now, I am cautiously continuing to enforce the flex and doing my strength work. Thank you all so much for helping me get through this. I'll let you know when I ski this winter.:thankyou:
 
Posts like yours are the best! Thankfully you realized the importance in allowing the swelling to go down. I also like that you’re engaging “cautiously”.
Thanks for joining us and sharing your journey!
@Mustski
 
OK, amazingly smart, and supportive people, three and a half months post TKR and two months post-MUA, and I am at 130 flex and 0 extension! It was hard not to "push," but letting the knee heal and the swelling go down was the trick. Now, I am cautiously continuing to enforce the flex and doing my strength work. Thank you all so much for helping me get through this. I'll let you know when I ski this winter.:thankyou:
This is great to read! I’m curious if you recall early days how much flexion you had, eg post op day 2, 5, week, etc?. I’m an active person and hope to ski again soon but it has been a rough couple of days with a knee that doesn’t want to bend at all (maybe 30 degrees). Formerly very flexible, knee-to-bum. There is lots of “don’t worry, it will come” info here (I’ve read all the stickies) but so far I haven’t come across anything that reassures me that almost no bend POD3 is ok. I’m warm, swollen and painful (obviously inflamed as expected), but no fever and no calf tenderness. I just hope I’m not brewing an infection. My incision is covered by a bandage but no excess drainage or shadowing as far as I can tell.
 
To activate the VMO (that's the medial section of the quadriceps, to the inner side of the kneecap): when you do straight leg raises, short arc quads, or long arc quads, angle your foot to point toes OUTWARD (away from the VMO). I also lightly touch with my fingers *any* muscle I want to activate, throughout the exercise; it really helps.
Agree with @mendogal this is what I have been taught by my pilates teacher to activate the VMO. It is really important for patellar tracking. I was taught it because my medial collateral ligament was weak and stretched post surgery. I needed to work on the VMO ( lateral quads) before I could go up and downstairs without pain.
 
OK, amazingly smart, and supportive people, three and a half months post TKR and two months post-MUA, and I am at 130 flex and 0 extension! It was hard not to "push," but letting the knee heal and the swelling go down was the trick. Now, I am cautiously continuing to enforce the flex and doing my strength work. Thank you all so much for helping me get through this. I'll let you know when I ski this winter.:thankyou:
This is great to read! I’m curious if you recall early days how much flexion you had, eg post op day 2, 5, week, etc?. I’m an active person and hope to ski again soon but it has been a rough couple of days with a knee that doesn’t want to bend at all (maybe 30 degrees). Formerly very flexible, knee-to-bum. There is lots of “don’t worry, it will come” info here (I’ve read all the stickies) but so far I haven’t come across anything that reassures me that almost no bend POD3 is ok. I’m warm, swollen and painful (obviously inflamed as expected), but no fever and no calf tenderness. I just hope I’m not brewing an infection. My incision is covered by a bandage but no excess drainage or shadowing as far as I can tell.
Oh my - I could do a full squat (sit on my haunches) pre-surgery, but just couldn't take the bone-on-bone pain when skiing or hiking. I always knew it was just a question of "when" I would do the TKR and this past winter sealed the deal.

Anyway, I could bend to 60 degrees after surgery - but that quickly (within three days) dropped to 30 as I started to work on it; the swelling just shut me down. And that swelling was excruciating every time I stood up.

I was hearing two messages one was, "just work through it" and another was, "let the knee heal" from the trauma it just went through. It didn't make sense to me how you could "work through" swelling that constrained the joint from moving so then all I could do was respect my knee and give it the space to heal and the swelling to reduce.

As the swelling went down, the knee started moving. Now, that being said, at six weeks, I wasn't getting past 90 degrees, so I decided to do an MUA, and the surgeon could push through and get me to 140 under anesthesia. I went through the healing/swelling cycle again, but then once the swelling started to reduce, the flexion really took off and continues to improve. I don't know if the decision to do the MUA was right, but it appears to have worked for me.

A few basic things I learned....

1) At a minimum, do 40 minutes when you put "ice on" - DO NOT fall into the 20-minute on/off cycle.
2) Ice is your best friend!! Even today, when I sit down to watch TV or read, I put ice on my knee.
3) Elevate means up over your heart - I would lay on the floor and put my leg up the wall.
4) You are your own best advocate. PT SHOULD NOT HURT! It can be uncomfortable, but it should not hurt.
5) If it makes your knee swell, slow your roll!
6) Don't let the PT or OS dismiss your voice.
7) Don't panic... the recovery takes longer than we want and can be depressing.

Also, I found a ton of comfort in this TKR PT specialist's YouTube videos.

Good luck!! You got this.
 
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Thank you, @Mustski! Very helpful tips! Our backstories sound similar. The last night before surgery I did a yoga session and got teary thinking that it could be the last time my knee bends that far…yet felt there was no other choice due to bone on bone pain stopping me from doing all the things I love (xc ski, hike, bike).

Do you also use compression? I have a thigh length compression stocking (20-30 mmhg) that I’ve had on since taking down the bulky dressing (which was cutting off circulation). Without the compression sock, it feels like the fluid wants to explode out my knee when I stand up (basically only to go to bathroom and back). I used compression a lot to manage arthritis swelling pre-op and knew from that experience how much swelling impedes mobility. The stocking isn’t quite enough though so I’m thinking of adding a wide tensor bandage wrap ( my anaesthetist suggested this, along with gentle lymph massage).
 
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@dotski
i have no intent of hijacking this thread. Don’t know if you are preop or postop.
did a yoga session and got teary thinking that it could be the last time my knee bends that far…
The above statement is not necessary true. You flexion can and will return. I was able to sit on my heels before replacement of left knee and after. My right knee is only 33 days, but it has excellent ROM. Followed bonesmart way of gentle movements, normal adls. Didn’t push or rush the natural healing process.
 
Thank you - not my intent to hijack thread either. Hope the questions are useful/relevant to OP and anyone else following.
 
Thank you, @Mustski! Very helpful tips! Our backstories sound similar. The last night before surgery I did a yoga session and got teary thinking that it could be the last time my knee bends that far…yet felt there was no other choice due to bone on bone pain stopping me from doing all the things I love (xc ski, hike, bike).

Do you also use compression? I have a thigh length compression stocking (20-30 mmhg) that I’ve had on since taking down the bulky dressing (which was cutting off circulation). Without the compression sock, it feels like the fluid wants to explode out my knee when I stand up (basically only to go to bathroom and back). I used compression a lot to manage arthritis swelling pre-op and knew from that experience how much swelling impedes mobility. The stocking isn’t quite enough though so I’m thinking of adding a wide tensor bandage wrap ( my anaesthetist suggested this, along with gentle lymph massage).
Yes, I used a full-leg compression stocking - just getting it on was torture. I, too, had the explosion feeling when standing - it was EVIL! I would scream. I did not try the tensor wrap ... complete elevation, ice, and compression got me through that stage. Once through the screaming stage, I kept up the full leg compression, and eventually, I shifted to using kinesthetic tape to help move the fluid and a compression knee sleeve that I found helpful.
 
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it was EVIL! I would scream
:rotfl:
I can't help it, sorry....but it's true!

Nasty, tight, itchy, hot, hateful. I wanted to have a bonfire and ceremonially burn them. I only had the knee high version so I truly feel for you.

Today is a milestone. Happy Three Month Anniversary! I hope all is well and you're enjoying steady progress.
A great rest of the week to you!
 
@Layla

Hah! We just took a long plane trip and I brought out the dreaded compression sleeve for the flights… I felt it was helpful. Also carried a couple old fashioned ice bags with me that I used consistently, when I could get my hands on ice. ✈️

Thanks for the three month celebration!
 
We just took a long plane trip and I brought out the dreaded compression sleeve for the flights… I felt it was helpful
Good! Glad it helped, coupled with ice.
Forgot to mention that I like your list back up a few posts, sharing what you've learned. :thumb:
 

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