I am so confused. So glad to have found this forum, an it's wealth of information. The first thing I am confused about is the doctors attitude. I've see 2 now plus my own GP who is on maternity leave for a couple three months. I am on my third doctor in a couple weeks and possible a fourth. 1. The first one took an MRI and found nothing. 2. The second one said MRI's don't work and took an X-ray that showed both knees almost bone on bone with meniscal tears that were un-operational. He then and there gave me a Syvistic One shot in the better knee and told me I had to wait 10 years because I am 60. Told me I have to loose at least 70 pounds. I told him I am dieting and just lost 56 pounds and he was unperturbed and continued. This doctors' office was extremely full of very elderly people who all get shots regularly. One patient told me to refuse all surgeries and do these shots only. I had a bad twist 3 weeks ago that left me totally wracked in pain and off my feet for almost 3 weeks. Couldn't get into see him, saw his emergency PA who just said yup you're hurt, offered another shot which I didn't do, and goodbye. 3. I have an appointment with a third doctor who is a team athletic doctor. He treats pro football players. My mind says some of these guys are easily 300 pounds and he treats them, what's the difference? 4. A friend gave me her doctor at the Mayo Clinic so I called and established a case number and setting up an appointment. The last question was how much do you weigh and when I told her she said the doctor would take it under advisement and see if I was a likely candidate and get back to me in 2 weeks. Didn't know that was how they worked. So... frustrated. I don't understand how a doctor could tell someone to be in constant pain for 10 years. I take Ibuprofen 800 4 times a day. I have some generic Vicodin to help me sleep but they really don't do anything for the pain. I have all the exercises but I can't even bend my knee to do those. I had a foot operation in 2005 that is still giving me referred pain, and last February Pt and diagnosing this is what led to the knee discovery. I was totally surprised, guess the knee pain was disguising itself. Did you all have to work so hard to be listened to?